Eastern vs Western CAS/SPAA Imbalance

I’ve hit them with 2-3 m830a1 and it just pissed them off. And as far as that cannon is concerned is one of if not the most accurate and deadly 30mm cannons available on any all helis in game. Pair that with that APDS rounds and it makes short work of most tanks. And yes, I’ve seen my whole team lighting them up with MGs and it still kept going about it’s business. Hell I have video of me hitting one 4 times with ADATS and didn’t kill it. Let’s not pretend that helicopter is in a league of is own in PVP. Luckily it at least can’t keep up with the Apaches in PVE.

US has the best cas at basically every br.

I dont know why people look at a stat card for a missile and ignore everything else.

I’d disagree, US options aren’t the best but they are quite flexible.

The biggest problem that leads to said perspective is that, they don’t have the unique airframe configurations (B-57G, F-4D, F-16C-25, F-4G etc.) or ordnance that they could have access to. and so effectively have at best solid baseline of performance across the board but nothing that really stands out.

Also the fact that basically all Strike airframes are missing key stores like, Anti-Radiation Missiles, various guided ordnance (Submunition dispensers / Cluster bombs) and alternate warheads for the modular guidance kits / rockets, doesn’t help.

If you break things down in a 1:1 store by store approach, US options are worse than their counterparts (AGM-65 / AGM-12C / GBU-8 vs Kh-29T / Kh-25L / KAB-500Kr) but that is supposedly made up by the quantity available, but then downloaded stores carriage isn’t a thing so there is no ability to derive an SP cost vs stowed kills advantage practically by design.

For example;

  • Mavericks are modeled erroneously due to game balance(cuts both ways the variants with the Electro-Optical seeker overperform significantly (3~4x what they should), and can lock onto the ground in error).
  • Targeting pods are only available outside a single premium above 12.0.
  • Large caliber rockets don’t have access to their alternate HE / HEAT warheads.
  • FAE aren’t implemented.
  • various Paveway I ordnance like the; GBU-1, -9 , -11, etc. are not implemented.
  • TCS / TISEO / ARBS / AAA-4 / AAS-15 don’t even approach what they should be capable of.
  • The AGM-114L would be unfair since Russia has yet to figure out that multi-spectral smoke is a thing.
  • A2G radar modes can’t be rolled out to more airframes for reasons.
  • IRCM / ECM pods aren’t implemented.
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While the maverick is rater ass
Wehn in hover mode it has a range of 3.5km at an altitude of 3km

Targeting pods is actually something the us is amazing at

You have the a7e with Thermal targeting pod
F16c and harrier av8b Plus with an amazing Thermal targeting pod and soon the a10c

F14b with a Thermal targeting pod that is ok. decent zoom but narrow angle so it’s difficult to find targets

And soon the f111f with a Pave Tack targeting pod hated on the f4 probably not that good but Still

They also have Amazing gimbal angles which most Russian Tracking device’s just can dream of
(Depends a bit on placement if the targeting pod is on the left wing it obliviousy is limited in Looking Right)

But in particular the Tracking device’s on su22 su17 and mig27m are extremely bad in all categories

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Its a Navigation pod (and can only be slewed by the A2G radar), but Gaijin as per usual is sitting on the report.

Its not correct, since the generation is abstracted, and that digital magnification is not modeled but that is an issue with most LITENING pods.

Should have access to the Sniper ATP or Sniper XR, for a good Targeting pod.

While it probably could be better
And there is a zoom bug which needs to be Fixed
And yea maybe could get more RL bling Bling but has far has the current game goes they are amazing

Remember auto lead and Tracking features which even the t64 had I believe
is still not modeld in-game even for the most Modern Tanks

Russia has better pure CAS, sure. But the US has much better platforms which allow for you to enage all manners of targets while having a much easier tike avoiding spaa.

Russian rwr yuck

When? If true than thats great!

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There aren’t many SHORAD vehicles like the pansir available for the western factions. You are generally better off using fighters to counter enemy cas, spaa is a secondary choice/backup. Helicopters aren’t affected unless some spaa gets a faster missile than the vt-1. Germany suffers the most in this situation, bad spaa platform and fighter

my last match for the Day was Top teir Italy GRB, from my 6 deaths, all six are from SU-25s, all I have is the OTOMATIC to defend myself, Italy is just cooked

Russian RWR (especially on the SU-25SM3) allows it to have a better time evading incoming missiles and not to mention the MAWS installed on it, the SU-25SM3 has the best situational awareness of any fixed-wing aircraft in-game.

Yet i still see most of SU-25 pilot can’t survive AMRAAM shooting at them despite having it
Very amusing to watch as they dancing for their lives. lol

That wont help that bathtub dodge spaa.

A f16 can work over hostile airspace much better than the su25. Su25 only dominates when uncontested.

Jeez you really needs Gripen bro it’ll help a lot

Yet i still see most of SU-25 pilot can’t survive AMRAAM shooting at them despite having it
Very amusing to watch as they dancing for their lives

Because they aren’t very bright, the USSR have one of the worst win rates at top tier if I recall and that’s because most USSR players lack more than 3 functional braincells - the average top tier German however (besides premium warriors) are usually skilful.

Well if you force to stuck with a single armored leopard ugly ass SPAA that can only hold two missile that the same time unreliable helicopters non exist CAS (Tornado can’t throw GBU from 15KM like they used to) and stuck with a god damn F4 phantoms at toptier fighting MiG29 SU-27 and F-15C
No surprise really force them to be better
Yet one single tank from German TT make German stomping Russia and being one most dominate nation in the game (according to RU main)

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  • The Tor M1 is horrendous, it’s too reliant on radar, its IRST is non-functional and it’s missile blows smoke everywhere: it’s basically impossible not to see it coming and take evasive action. “But muh datalink”, comically useless unless you’re facing straight flying planes in lemming formation
  • The JH-7A isn’t anything beyond the scope of BluFor unless your playing Japan, Kh-29Ts share similar range and function to AGM-65 Mavericks, is matched if not surpassed by the Tornado GR.1s PGMs and cannot perform AMRAAM multirole like the F-16C
  • Z-10/19 are essentially Chinas top tier anti-air. Z-10 carries better Hellfires with 9.2km range but still has all of the problems of Hellfires like a bush acting as advanced IRCM, the only solid thing about them is TY-90s for self defence and I’d argue the AH-1Z Viper can defend itself just as well with longer range, smokeless motor AIM-9Ms, an actual gun (the Z-10 has a beanbag launcher) and functional RWR. Nothing even gets close to the Ka-52/Mi-28NM it’s the one thing I’d agree with but PARS/Spikes, while giving very mixed results, have their uses.

The Pantsir and Su-25SM3 (just the Kh-38s really) are egregious cheese, but the Su-25 isn’t unbeatable, top tier now requires you to have top tier jets to chase these things down, they can’t really fight back against dedicated fighters and can’t do anything against BVR missiles apart from chaff/notch/prayer.

There aren’t a lot of NATO contemporaries to the Pantsir due to SHORAD doctrine, there’s SLAMRAAM and whatever the land based IRIS-T platform is called but idk if they’d be as good since they’re A2A missiles launched from SL at a standstill and are not SACLOS (you’re going to get trolled by Helicopters like the TAN SAM/Ozelot).

bruh

Heli rushes aren’t an issue, and are going to be even less of an issue next patch if there’s a single HSTV-L on the team.

Neat concern trolling.

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Neat concern trolling

I’m not trolling or anything, I’m a Chinese/UK main and I’m conferenced with the ever growing gap in SPAA performance between your average Western nation vs the East.

The Tor M1 is horrendous

Opinion rejected, the minute you said the Tor-M1 was bad was the minute I take everything you say unserious.

It’s okay I wasn’t taking you too seriously when you said it was good either.