Actually, and sorry if I was rude, I have unlocked and almost spades ALL the french TT (Air, ground and sea) and I’m happy with this sub-tree bringing F-16 experience without grinding other trees (I’m around rank III on each nation so lower rank aircraft aren’t a trouble)
Yeah but you’re already playing the tree, it’s a lot different if you weren’t already and have to grind through a whole tree to get an F-16 when you would have that already in a different tree and thus it’s not an incentive.
There’s no fun in the game if you just grind through everything. I suggest playing the vehicles you unlock. If you have already played them in another tech tree, then that’s on you. Most people in this game stick to one or two nations at most. You would need Hundreds or Thousands of hours in this game to completely get several nations to top tier (tanks AND planes). There’s no enjoyment if a tech tree only has little planes to choose from.
At lower tiers it requires little to not time to get through them, and even there you’ll find a substantial amount of copy paste, and you get rank lll in a nation in no time at all.
And not everyone is aiming to play WW2 tier stuff, if that’s your jam than cool, if you want to play later WW2, cold war or more current era you don’t want to just play the vehicles you unlock as you’ll never get there.
That seems very harsh. If you don’t like the play experience you can always stop. BeNeLux is a sub tree, hopefully it will be separated enough so you won’t have to research it to reach rank VIII, but if you need 5 planes per rank researched you might get into a problem at rank VII.
It’s a CTRL - C, CTRL - V tree at the moment and then we wait until they dump all the Dutch/German Leopards onto France.
France doesn’t need it either. It’s already as big as Germany. Not to mention that
A) The Dutch players are extremely displeased by going under France from what I’ve seen.
B) Germany could really use some additions in their dead end air tech tree.
Gaijin literally created lose - lose - lose situation.
So you’re saying that having fewer vehicles in a tree will not shorten the grind, ergo your objection about sub trees making the grind longer is not a thing? Good enough for me.
Suppose this interpretation is correct: in that case, more players will average out the values and result in better BRs. One more benefit of sub trees.
But what does that even mean? If I’m playing a single player game it’s to get to the end, sure, but if I absolutely hate the gameplay, I’m going to quit the game, right?
When you play a game, you’re focused on the experience, progression is something that happens naturally while you play.
If I didn’t actually enjoy being in matches, I wouldn’t force myself to do it just because I have to grind. WT is not a job.
So you’re saying that having fewer vehicles in a tree will not shorten the grind, ergo your objection about sub trees making the grind longer is not a thing? Good enough for me.
Like I said I don’t know if it does, fewer vehicles can have increased RP requirements or higher rank requirements, just look at how atrocious naval or helicopter progression is, 400k RP for some garbage tier helicopter that is a copy paste of the previous helicopter and BR 8 or something.
Doesn’t say anything about more vehicles not making the grind longer however.
Suppose this interpretation is correct: in that case, more players will average out the values and result in better BRs. One more benefit of sub trees.
Only no one cares about this, if you want France to get more players you need to give France more domestic and unique designs worth playing, no one is going to play France now because they have a Spitfire.
When you play a game, you’re focused on the experience, progression is something that happens naturally while you play.
There is nothing natural about the grind in WT… the game that wants 35k points for a useless rank ll meme vehicle.
This a very mixed response: People that only care about the current Dutch military stuff are indeed very unsatisfied with this solution, however some Dutch people I spoke to wanted to be in Sweden more than Germany. They would have to do a Canadian-type addition to split Dutch vehicles over different tech trees. Fokker planes should never go to Germany, except for captured ones. The other option is to add the dutch to one specific Tech Tree, in this case France.
Their Government didn’t see the need for big-budget air plane purchases, now they must be bailed out by foreign additions. 1990s+ Dutch planes might solve this, but so could Argentine, Swiss or others for that matter (and they are less controversial to add to GER for that matter).
Like I said, having smaller steps is an appeal of the Big Three.
Way more people play Italy now compared to before the Hungarian sub tree. Some of my friends who have been playing this game for many many years were convinced to start the tree when the Hungarians were added.
Same has happened to Sweden.
It will take time to make the other trees closer in appeal to the Big Three, and Israel may be a lost cause, but it will happen.
I keep saying it, you sound so aggravated by the game that it might be healthy to take a break from it. If you find an event too grindy, vote with your feet and ignore it. I’ve done some and ignored others based on my preferences. It’s an optional experience.
I can attest to this, I know several people that did exactly this.
Also visible on WT data project.
Way more people play Italy now compared to before the Hungarian sub tree. Some of my friends who have been playing this game for many many years were convinced to start the tree when the Hungarians were added.
Based on what? The Hungarian tree didn’t add that much of interest, I doubt people are flocking to Italy to play a ZSU, BTR or T-72… the KF41 is the only thing kinda interesting and that’s way too far down the tree for people to realistically try and get it, especially with how horrendous Italy top tier is ever since they were added with a high pen round as their only gimmick, an advantage that is long gone… then they got a warkit that is made out of 5t of mountain air and is worse protection than a literal piece of wood.
I keep saying it, you sound so aggravated by the game that it might be healthy to take a break from it. If you find an event too grindy, vote with your feet and ignore it. I’ve done some and ignored others based on my preferences. It’s an optional experience.
Haven’t played the game in weeks, doesn’t change anything about the state of the game or the grind, I have just been playing this game a whole lot longer than you are it seems and what seems like minor inconveniences to you are just the 10th time I’m seeing the cycle repeated.
Okay, just found out F-16AM MLU should have 8 flare buckets, or 240 flares.
2 fuselage mounted.
6 in pylons.
Interesting unique F-16 being added.
The forums, Reddit, and social media are an echo chamber that represents an incredibly minute portion of the player base. Most people log in, play for a couple hours, and never look at the forums or Reddit once. That includes some of my friends who’ve been playing since 2013…
So yes, there are people who are upset, as is the case basically every time Gaijin does anything, but for the average player this will just result in having more options in a tech tree that’s not as popular as the big ones.
I’m sure we’ll see other options filling out that gap. It’s just a matter of time.
It made the early ranks more fleshed out. I think the Turan especially was the biggest draw in terms of playing competitively at the early ranks.
There are two sides to this coin.
A veteran player who understands that lineups win matches, might be reluctant to start grinding a minor tree because it will be less competitive at many BRs than what they are used to. Most of the friends I have in WT have been playing since way before me, so this is the dynamic I saw first hand for the most part. “Cool, now I can grind Italy without having the added handicaps.”
No one likes to be punched in the face, as it turns out.
A newer player doesn’t really know any of this of course. However, here’s what I’ve personally seen. I’m Italian, and when I see a fellow Italian start playing WT, it’s fairly typical for them to try the Italian tree first. Then they get punched in the face, so they go ask a more seasoned player for advice, and they’re told “it’s not a tree for beginners, try a friendlier one like Germany or USSR”. And even that dynamic has started to change with the addition of Hungary.
Not everyone lives for top tier.
But you haven’t really taken a break from it mentally, or you wouldn’t be here arguing about it.
I don’t know, it just seems weird to me. If something doesn’t bring me joy, I devote my free time to things that make me feel good.
and they’re told “it’s not a tree for beginners, try a friendlier one like Germany or USSR”. And even that dynamic has started to change with the addition of Hungary.
I still wouldn’t recommend Italy to new players because of a Turan and with a dead end at top tier whilst still suffering from minor nation balancing issues.
Not everyone lives for top tier.
So even less reason to play Italy when top tier is where a lot of the more unique vehicles are, you don’t play Italy for the Shermans, M18s, M26, M24, Stugs, M47, M109s and whatnot.
But you haven’t really taken a break from it mentally, or you wouldn’t be here arguing about it.
I’m on the WT forum talking about WT, please stop trying to spin some dumb narrative, it’s getting old really quick.
i have little to no objections to this decision
especially if it means we might get Dutch ships in the disgustingly neglected French Bluewater tree
Oh, it still needs more work, for sure. Namely, more Italian vehicles, more Hungarian vehicles, and even more sub trees. But I’m sure it’ll come. War Thunder does things in steps over a prolonged period of time, but if a vehicle was built, it’ll come to the game. So, no issue.
Eh, it has other highlights.
You can play it for the 90/53, which is pretty cool. For the Turan, which is basically a better Pz IV. For the Fiat 6614 and the R3, very fun vehicles (the former of which a nuke machine).
You can play it for the OF-40, the Leopard 40/70, and the AUBL.
Even at Rank VI, you can have a lot of fun with the Centauro.
Though the ideal objective is to make every tree fun at every BR, it’s also not an issue if a tree isn’t strong absolutely everywhere. Germany lacks strong top tier air, but the rest of the air tree is pretty lit. There’s plenty in Italy that looks interesting even if they’re not there yet at top tier, something that will change once they get the Leo2A7HU.
I look forward to the addition of the Romanian Maresal at some point in the future.
What else do you expect people to respond when you rant about the 35k points for the AVRE and say playing the game is like eating mold? What other possible response is there beyond, it sounds like you aren’t having fun and maybe it isn’t for you?
Oh, it still needs more work, for sure. Namely, more Italian vehicles, more Hungarian vehicles, and even more sub trees. But I’m sure it’ll come. War Thunder does things in steps over a prolonged period of time, but if a vehicle was built, it’ll come to the game. So, no issue.
They do things slowly, very very slowly… if at all, yes.
You can play it for the 90/53, which is pretty cool. For the Turan, which is basically a better Pz IV. For the Fiat 6614 and the R3, very fun vehicles (the former of which a nuke machine).
OF-40, the Leopard 40/70, and the AUBL.
A lot of works to get to some of the later vehicles just for some fun when it’s ultimately just not a great tree… at least the Turan is still lower than the overtiered Chi-Ri, although the OF is just a Leopard and the Aubl is a miserable vehicle, not to mention how hard the HVG has been nerfed into oblivion once they made the money from the event and it was discarded.
What else do you expect people to respond when you rant about the 35k points for the AVRE and say playing the game is like eating mold?
Not even remotely what I said, I’m saying copy paste vehicles are not a carrot on the stick, which is how the game is designed.
Confirmed unique Benelux additions [model/weapons/etc]:
Mirage 5BA, F-16AM MLU, Fokker G1, Firefly MkIV, Gladiator Mk1, Spitfire LF MkXIVe.
Thank god one more nation gets an f16…
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Any other questions ? I’m sure we can educate some more here.
The BeNeLux can be its own tech tree their are completed tech trees for ground, aviation and even naval.
probably for the same reason you just got a Canadian tank. There’s no rhyme or reason. Especially when Canada should have its on tech tree in another nation.