In the modern day they do. And have been crucial for the TAM modernization
Well Israel is the only reason the tams got upgraded lmao but yea its silly to me too
This or a system where once you research a identical or very similar vehicle in one tree, you unlock it or get a major discount in another (M55, M44, M109A1 etc) would make copy paste way more tolerable.
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The fact the people complaining about the M44 that is in 6 TT and no-one says anything about the goat named M-24 Chaffee is also in 6 (i count the abomination called amx-13-m24) is funny for me. (be ready for Greek Chaffee and M44)
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duplicates arent that terrible but when you give conflicting nations like china top tier american jets and tanks then it just doesnt make sense to grind american tree when you can get abrams + f16 in chinese…
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exactly
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I agree
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I cannot get M1A1 HC, M1A1 SEP V2, Trophy, SEP V3, etc in China.
I cannot get F-16C in China.
Gaps for thee and not for me.
I already showed you what the gaps are in the American tree and you said that to correct those gaps would mean that we would also have to correct gaps in the Russian tree, which as i have demonstrated, and you argue, is already being done with the justification that those gaps exist in other trees. There is no reason to fill the Italian and French trees with leopards when they already have mbts, and then turn around and say that America should not get a subtree to fill gaps in its current capabilities.
No point in arguing with you anymore if you cant be consistent. I dont care if Gaijin adds copy-paste vehicles or not to separate trees- that can of worms has already been opened. However, all nations should be on an even playing field. If the only justification is “they didnt have it and its unfair that they dont get it, so lets add it anyway,” then there is no reason that the US cant get an algerian pantsir. It’s already been done with all the leopards and abrams everywhere.
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Oh boy, here I go defending USA again.
USA doesn’t need Pantsir, they have AIM-9X carrying vehicles that will function against helicopters once Gaijin finishes LDIRCM programming.
You don’t want Kh-38MT; when Gaijin adds LOAL, Kh-38MT’s lock range will drop to 1.5km from its current ~14km [identical to AGM-65D/G], and if Gaijin adds in the mechanic that they actually use, you’ll never get to see through the seeker of Kh-38MT, and instead have to select a target from a drop down menu for it to seek out.
There are barely any copy-paste American vehicles in other tech trees.
The only copy-paste Abrams in-game is the SEP V3.
Leopard 2A4s are probably the only copy-paste Leopard 2s.
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There’s like 17 of them in the German tech tree alone, and I’m pretty sure that’s not even the highest count for one tech tree having American vehicles in it either.
Now I am by definition including any vehicle that doesn’t have a major difference as a copy paste vehicle such as vastly new capabilities or design.
For example the layout on the type 90 and its playstyle due to the autoloader is massively different from the leo2a4 therefor it isnt a copy paste, however for all intents and purposes the finnish 2a6 is a copy paste vehicle its the same thing as a german 2a6 in different colors and on the same note the same applies for the 2a7hu and 2a7V they play exactly the same one just has a .50cal on it which at top tier doesn’t at all change gameplay.
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“Major” is a subjective word.
When addressing an objective standard of “copy-paste” [literally a computer function], you must not introduce subjective standards.
3D modelers are still creating a new model if it has changes.
Also, your post is insinuating that Leclerc is copy-paste of M1A1 because they play identically.
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I’ve created a thread in the suggestion category for something like this. Lets see if its ever going to see the light of the day ^^
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The lamest and laziest thing I’ve read today. Ahh yes lets keep piling shit in to “fill the gaps” until the actually cool things you want are added. Btw were never removing the copy paste shit so the grind is gonna just keep getting worse and worse. The grind is already so bad that any sane person just buys a premium high tier and grinds out the whole tree with it. That’s besides the fact that you could just do what you did for Israel and just give tanks extra spawns, but that’s probably too hard for Gemini to do for all the trees so not sure about that one. All of this while asking for $80 non unique top tier jets. Quote “we don’t want our players buying their way to the top” by the way. Your excuse of “well they’re not rank 9” is utter bullshit there’s very little functional difference between many rank 8 and 9 jets. Its all such a thinly vied attempt to squeeze every cent you can out of the player base and sadly it works. There’s no competition for you and therefore no incentive to improve but let me tell you Gaijin time is running out.
Go back and fix the many vehicles that ALREADY exist in game and are poorly modeled or just bugged. PLEASE get over the need for 50 different classified documents to change something for a NATO tank. We get it you like Russia but at the end of the day YOU make the tanks and can make the internals whatever you want in service of better gameplay. Stop adding features that no one asked for that somehow break wheels (Seriously? Do we not test anymore?). You could instead add things that A LOT of people asked for like better and more interesting game modes and better maps. The map design is atrocious and I don’t understand how that’s not a main focus. Why not let players design reward earing modes and maps if you’re too lazy? That’s free infinite content for the game. The game has so much potential and its such a shame you refuse to capitalize on it. Just slow down and work on some foundational things before adding 20 stories. You say you’re listening to the player base but I’m not sure which one that is because it sure doesn’t seem to be the majority. Why not stick to your word for once and do better.
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Thank you for saying this. I wanted to say something like this, but I figured it was too unpopular of stance.
I get that players want to have their cake and eat it too, so to speak, in regards to getting to research both domestic and copypaste vehicles, but I’ve felt the damage the latter brings to the uniqueness of each tree just by occupying space in it isn’t necessary. If current trends continue, I think we’d be better off just transitioning to an international tree research system and allowing fully mixed line-ups.
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There’s plenty of competition… I don’t think you realize “bad” competitors are still competitors.
Adding foundational things takes years of time, they’ll develop them when able.
Premium account is better than a premium vehicle for grind, you play more vehicles, get the same research bonus as a premium vehicle, and you get bonus spading research on top of that.
The fact you’re complaining that premiums aren’t unique is… something.
Premiums shouldn’t be unique vehicles. At most they can be unique variant of the same exact vehicle in tech trees, but premiums should primarily be copy-paste.
Unique stuff should be more accessible to people that just play the game.
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Britain and Russia still missing theirs too.
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NO MORE COPYPASTE PLEASE
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