So will unique and historically important vehicles currently locked behind a paywall be added to the tech tree as well? Or are they still going to be paywalled?
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Sorry, I had missed this post.
Thanks for the correction! I edited my post accordingly.
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Because apparently modeling the AMX-30C2 is soooo much harder than just putting a Leopard 1 on the French Tech tree. Let’s just ignore that the C2 model is like 90% equal to the B2, but nooo, France NEEDS to get the short end of the stick, always and forever.
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Hence we added M44s and M55s everywhere, because we had no solid evidence things like Wespe, Hummel, Priest and Bishop ever existed…
Why do you still even bother with national tech trees? Go full Ace Combat, create Eurusia vs Urusia and be done with it…
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Did France really, like REALLY need a benelux subtree then? I’m not bad talking Belelux, I actually find their early plane soo good and very fun to play, but like wouldn’t Benelux be better suited for Germany? I speak as someone who mainly plays Japan, Britain and France. As I see from the Vehicle sujestions passed to developers, it would’ve seem like France has plenty of unique and quircky vehicles that could, at least in part fill the gaps on Tech Tree but are not implemented, instead, we ave things like a Leopard 2 on a lineup with already 4 Leclercs (What does this even add?). Instead we could have a tank or something that actually fix a BR gap such as the one where the Super Etendard sits.
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You mentioned development time. I think most people actually dont understand how long it takes to develop a vehicle so heres my suggestion:
-Openly show the development of a vehicle from start to finish, from finding and gathering sources, to modelling, to balance etc.
-This will give people more of a perspective of whats going on inside and how vehicle development works
-The way I would do it is post weekly updates on progress made with the development of such vehicle
“We would like to be open and say that both during development of each major update and after its release, we carefully analyze your feedback and adjust our plan, mainly by community request.”
Are we serious?
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You mean things like F-20, F-89s ,A-6E , P-59 , Sea Hawk Mk100 ,FFA P-16 , L-39 , J-22 , Sea Vixen … just to name a few planes that are completely unique without TT/event/squad counterpart even as a hint.
My other problem is why you make the best versions of a plane premiums , like F-14D , Netz(mod) , J35XS, Su-11 , F-4S.
And then you have some questionable choices in terms of how you value some premiums. For ex. Su-30MKK/MK2 AMV 13,3 while you play…Su-34 as 13,7 , NF-5A (which is more of F-5E in game , while it was a slightly better F-5A in reality) same BR with F-5A. And the new F-14D which is straightforward better than 14B but same BR with 14B (but even try to “sidegrade” it with 14B which is impossible radar alone). There are a few others as well especially if you go ground or naval (i don’t even want to start with naval). Now tell me you just didn’t do that only to “sell” …
What i see written there is a bunch of excuses. We all knew that we would have C&P with modern vehicles. The problem is how you handled it and you handled it very bad.
If you ask me C&P is nearly unavoidable, except if you place export variants under the producer nation, but that isn’t good because many TTs will loose value. So ok, let’s not go there.
The best way to implement a “premium” i believe it’s like you did with MiG 23ML , Mirage F.1 , F-4E Japan , Su-22M4 . Yes it is TT version overall , but you buy it to grind faster, has some extra camos and it’s nothing gamebreaking or that someone MUST buy to play it.
For example , i have F-4E Jap and MF.1 both premium and TT. I play the premiums because better income . It doesn’t feel forced, but i know why i bought them. They have a reason!
If there was TT F-14D for example, i’d buy the Premium F-14D in an instant…even in that state it is.
It’s my favourite plane , i wouldn’t mind have both . Hell my F-14s are all talismaned as well.
Now it feels kinda forced to buy it and it is not even in the state it should be (even cockpit is wrong).
Do you know how many times i wished it was like this? The MM is not historical by any means anyway.
So , yeah … why not focus on the realism and quality on vehicles instead of trying to please national fanbase. They would play it anyway, just pull some RL camos -unlockable - in the vehicles and since we can make our own camos they would be fine as well!
As i said the MM is not historical, either for BRs or nations. And to be fair some “hypothetical” confrontations should be avoided, since they might have political meaning -even if GJ doesn’t have any.
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Could we get also a Blog about some vehicles that were added to? Like the BMPT 72, and other high debating vehicles?
Like the F-14D Super Tomcat?
Mate just because there are some minute differences in the 3D model is completely irrelevant. The German, Dutch and Finnish Leopard 2A6 all plays the exact same, they are functionally copy paste. This is what people who play France mean when we say that if they wanted to play Leopard 2s and F-16s, they’d be playing those trees: Because the experience would be the same, or possibly even better due to more options/variants.
And even if gaijin pay some money to have a new 3D model, they still save on the man hours needed for armor/hit boxes modeling, bug fixing and balance. You’re being disingenuous in how you’re tackling the criticism.
It’s a garbage definition because what you just described is pure nonsense.
It’s not though. It perfectly reasonable for the country of origin and main user to have more variants as they are the ones developing the vehicles.
It not exactly a surprise that the US has a ton of Abrams variants because they’ve been and are still using and improving them to this day.
Britain and China though? Completely different matter. And you’ll find that most players of those two trees would rather have the indigenous MBTs of said trees be competitive instead of getting a US tank, because if they were interested in the Abrams… Well, the US tree has a lot more of them. And I’m sure US players would enjoy keeping their ground tree as unique as possible.
Let’s not forget that the reason why gaijin doesn’t have an historical matchmaker is because they think that it would be boring to fight the same vehicles every match, but their current path will have top tier consist mostly of Leo 2s, Abrams and T-80s fighting one another. And we’re getting there incredibly fast.
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One fundamental question. How do you intend to encourage players to develop other tech trees given that they all offer practically the same vehicles?
Also, under what sources. It’s easy to dissmiss facts as “not enough data/info” , but under what data/info you make the changes you do?
Prime example, F90 missile. I still can’t find enough valid info other than claims, yet it took a buff in its guidance with IOG and Distance Gate. What is known is the missile is a HAWK and 54 mix. Because even the idea of just putting HAWK’s electronics in a 54 body is flawed , HAWK was a SARH, so it should have kept parts of the 54 anyway for it to be ARH.
What data exist around it? Under what data you implement it?
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This is 100% the correct approach and I will never understand people who complain about copy paste premiums. In an ideal world, every premium would be copy paste, because it gives the paying player no advantage over the F2P player - other than faster SL and RP gain.
It is one thing to complain about too much copy paste in general (fair) or too many premiums in an update (also fair) but wanting unique vehicles to be paywalled is so bizarre.
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I mean if I was interested in the ROC military then I’d be interested in the M1A2T. Not “any Abrams”, but the specific tank operated by the country I want to play. Especially here where it’s a unique variant not operated by anyone else.
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I am not opposed to duplicate vehicles; I am opposed to your double standards. The very fact that a purchased vehicle ends up being stronger in the buyer’s nation than in its country of origin is absurd. Take this update for example: while you are adding the Leopard 2A4RI (a German-developed tank) to Japan, why not give Germany the same? The Singaporean Leopard 2SG could easily be added to the German tree as well.
“Bla bla bla bla we just need your monet” As a player, this is how I understand your approach to us, I’ve been playing since 2014 and I’ve seen various things that made you want more money from us, for example, the economic drama. Now for a long time we can clearly see the glorification of one nation with all the machines that are OP and then you are surprised that players see it as Russian propaganda, The game should provide fun and pleasure above all, and looking at what you’ve been adding lately, the only pleasure is probably when you play with the Russian tree, because that’s what they are when it comes to Top tier ground battles have dominance in the air and on the ground, Terminator completely destroyed the balance It’s on sale now -50%, it’s amazing that knowing how much this vehicle has spoiled people’s blood, you’re giving it a sale, giving Russia another tank that they absolutely didn’t need. Because they already had the Panzer S1, which was the best anti-aircraft system in the game anyway. What does the top tier look like now when you play, for example, the USA? After 5 minutes, a helicopter with guided missiles destroys you. To make matters worse, before you even notice him, he’s already at the airport, landing another round of ammunition, then you’re destroyed by the Su-30s, which fire missiles before they even show up on the radar. But when you get into your plane or helicopter, Pantsyr destroys everything that flies towards it, one Pantsyr SM is enough to defend against everything, it was no fun for On the other hand, only frustration and reluctance to play tops, I want to play the game and enjoy it, not wonder if Abrams had additional armor or not if he needs it in Give him that in the game, instead you gave him better armor for the T90M on his left and right side so that the Bradley can’t hit him and the HSTVL which is also at 12.0 can barely damage him from the side I just want to have fun in the game, have fun playing it, and not feel constantly frustrated and angry because the only nation that gets the best toys is Russia.
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I think it would be best to keep the Leopard 2SG for Israel, so they can make Singaporean lineups with the Hunder AFV. Germany could instead get the Leopard 2 Revolution, which is the upgrade kit that the Leopard 2RI was based on but has a lot of additional upgrades Indonesia didn’t get like a remote weapon on the roof, improved sights and laser warning system.
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