Gaijin’s wanting a vehicle at X BR strikes again.
90%, it was given German ammo on purpose to stay at 9.3. So many vehicles are missing ammo, it used or has ammo it operator never had just because Gaijin wants it at a BR.
Despite one of the best ways for “duplicates” to have unique things between them is having the ammo/ordnance selection be what the operator used on it.
Ahh, I see i was reading the posts wrong.
to that “unique” 4.0 lineup. how can it be unique when other TT’s have the same vehicle? that could have Easily been a French howitzer that is almost certain they aren’t getting now that that the M55 is in game.
Also calling the Leclerc a copy past M1A1 is a choice I guess. I wouldn’t call it a good one at all.
If you think the Leclerc is as similar to the m1a1 as the 2a5NL is the the 2a5, then you’re simply not arguing in good faith
You also referenced the CV9035, which left only one Benelux ground vehicle out
Cause other tech trees don’t have the vehicles of that lineup.
There’s no ARL-44, AMX-13-24, etc.
Then we agree.
@Bergebis
Everyone claiming gameplay defines copy-paste is claiming Leclerc is copy-paste of M1A1.
There’s a reason I don’t define copy-paste personally & instead use professional definitions.
That wasn’t agreeing with you and if you meant that as a gotcha that was a reach and a half.
Also the other vehicles are unique the M55 is not. which is a determent to the uniqueness of the lineup. as you know it isn’t unique.
And that’s not what people are claiming.
Copy-Paste is a new instance of a vehicle in game that’s so functionally identical (i.e. 2a5nl vs 2a5 or US M55 vs Benelux M55) that they’re effectively the same
Redundancy is when a vehicle isn’t needed because a domestic option serves a similar purpose and BR range (i.e. M44 vs Lorraine 155 MLE 50 or 51)
If we’re using we take your professional definitions to it’s logical endpoint then the first 400 or so M4A4’s are distinct and unique from those that followed because they lacked a second turret antenna bracket.
That’s not what you* are claiming.
You speak for yourself, not others.
I have seen others define it based on gameplay or functionality, which leads to the Lecerc-M1A1 comparison since their gameplay & functionality is 95% similar.
I wasn’t claiming you defined it that way, I was just warning not to sway from official definitions cause things get weird fast.
I apologize if my posts made it seem like I was accusing you of something, because I was not. [At least when typing the statements.]
So if something sounds accusatory, my mistake.
Can you point to these ‘others’? You are the only person I have ever seen claim this absolutely wild take.
Well, almost everything in this post is BS you guys didn’t want to put some effort in the most urgent things? like bombers models, gamemodes, premiums at top tier, etc. Or you gonna make a video of Q&A and treating your community as a bunch of fool people that doesn’t know anything like you did in your last?
As much as Alvis points are too far post of the time, I have to agree with them.
Calling variants C&P because they play the same snowballs until every vehicle but one in a family is C&P of each other (no matter how modified) or every tank with an L7 gun is C&P because it’s an L7 gun.
Vehicles playing the same and not being pure 1-1 of another vehicle aren’t mutually exclusive.
Variants exist on a scale from small changes like MGs, and side skirts to new everything. There are more ways to make a vehicle a variant than not, just not all of them overhaul gameplay.
Some day this game will dead if you are doing like this. If you dont do anything that commu want. Im warning you if you love this game for real.
Germany has even less free space for Belgian vehicles than France, so I don’t think that would work well.
It becomes C&P when it leaves the original TT. the Leclercs or Abrams even though there are minimal changes between the individual variants aren’t generally considered C&P because they are designs in their on TT and I don’t know anyone mad about having each of them
If that’s such a big issue, just use 1948 or so as a cut off. BeNeLux’s unique designs are predominantly cold war and modern vehicles (ACEC, Sibmas, Cockerill, YP/YPR series, etc) and while they are largely redundant in the French tree, I agree they should be put somewhere where they augment a tree. If the change that interwar and WW2 Benelux vehicles touch the German tree is such a turn off that you’d rather Benelux continue to be relegated to a subtree that will always be competing with French domestic designs, then a time relevant cut off is the best solution.
Yeah, this intentional dumbing down of vehicles need to stop.
At the very least if they want the vehicle at a lower BR they can lock the full ammo/ordnance behind a BR raising modification, so that it can be disabled at will and the vehicle can both use limited armament at a BR it’s needed and full armament for anyone who wants the more unique experience.
But even then in many cases the proper ammo wouldn’t even change the BR too much anyways, and it’s only done to “standardize” certain vehicles, which really shouldn’t be how its done.
Are you aware that is called a double standard?
I get that, I was more pointing out that those shouldn’t be in the French tree at all when Belgian vehicles share almost nothing with French vehicles.
How their vehicles are added in game right now they are just an easy way for gaijin to say that France doesn’t need fixes or French vehicles because the ‘have’ vehicles in their tree to fill the gap.
I can assure you belgiums vehicles are not redundant to the french tree. The array of CVRT scorpions alone outdoes what France offers for light scouts easily
Not really a double standard when the standard is tanks should be in their home countries barring few and rare exceptions. having 2a6s in 3+ TTs is Copy and paste. Abrams or Sherman upgrades in the country that developed it is not.
Ground maybe, but not air, the majority of their aircraft are WW2/interwar.
In order for the BeNeLux to see its domestic vehicles in land, sea and air, it needs WW2 and interwar. And sadly, Gaijin, unwilling to do the work to make the BeNeLux its own tree, and put it in the one allied nation with room.
Heck, I have a special interest in the Benelux due to a mix of WW2 history(as there is major Canadian-Benelux stuff from then) and the fact that they used the most types of Canadian tech outside of Canada. Heck, with the OQF 75 finally getting its APHE, the Dutch Ram IIs is an even bigger want now as a Ram II with APHE will be peak (and 4.0 at least…)