To be fair at least for Thailand the VT-4 tank doesn’t have side ERA unlike what China could get. More often in Thai service the sideskirts are removed completely, which is also done on the Oplot tanks.
Thailand also uses BTA4 APFSDS, not DCT10-125 like the VT-4s we have in game, so it’s slightly worse than them even. But not worse enough for a different BR.
Honestly this move made them lose a sale. I would’ve bought a premium Clemenceau, but no way am I paying for an ahistorically gimped vehicle, especially since it was the France bluewater tree’s last chance to have a BB that doesn’t have abysmal dispersion.
Even worse is the fact that when Clemenceau and Jean Bart were leaked some of us begged them to make Clemenceau the premium instead as Jean Bart would’ve required artificial nerfs to fit at 8.3, but they completely ignored our feedback and went ahead anyway.
Gotta love another community post gaslighting the community. Players weren’t mad that the F-16 was a copy paste of the wrong nation. they were mad that it wasn’t a French vehicle. Why would I play France just to get mid US aircraft. An aircraft that doesn’t fill any gaps in the tree other than the ability to monetize it. There were plenty of French vehicles that could have filled that gap and you gave France a US aircraft.
Also what happened to no top tier premiums. We have a top tier battleship for France now that is the best ship in their naval tree.
Typical gaijin. It’s a real shame because I probably would have done the same and added a talisman to the Jean Bart. Just to tide me over until something better came along, but there’s nothing better here
The VT4s are both like 12BR Vehicles. They are way overbr’d. Imo they could remove the DTC10-125 from the VT4 but it should be like 11.7 / 12BR cause thats what the Tank is. (Like Cavenub says so too and is much more experienced than me). I don’t see how the VT4s are 12.3 / 12.7BR at all.
VT4A1 should by all means get its ERA on the Side maybe then its an 12.7BR worth MBT but also have to note the ERA used is not the FY5 but some FY2A / FY2T which don’t help against KE like Relikt / Kontakt-5; only helps against HEAT and Tandem Warhead like 60-70% according to some Book someone posted in another Thread about it
I don’t fully agree with the limitations of current subtrees, so I think a player should be able to play Greek vehicles individually like I suggested as part of the subtree rework.
But forcing a split means to play Greece you have to play America, France, Germany, etc. all to get one nation. Meanwhile an American player only has to play one nation to get that nations vehicles, this isn’t fair.
Greece being all in one techtree is an important part to treating them as a nation, not bonus content.
Especially in ground battles where linups matter, a Greek lineup wouldn’t be possible if their vehicles were split across nations, this is not treating the nation fairly.
And again, this works the other way around too. If I want to play Greece, I want to play Greece, not USA, Germany, France and more to piece together individual vehicles. Why should a Greek player be forced to play entire nations they have no interest in, just to get Greek vehicles?
Ah, that explains it then. That would go back to the horribly mismanaged Thai air line too, and the context that this list is air and ground techtree vehicles specifically (so no naval either) makes a lot more sense.
The whole post is very reasonable too. The person who made it doesn’t just blindly hate on things, but understands the context and gives what seems like good solutions like asking for uniquely modified variantswhere possible.
Seems I really misjudged it.
They prioritize most important holes first, then go back & fill more later.
See Albatros.
Them going back 10 updates, really feeling like it was done that way to make the problem seem worse than it is.
ahahha… until you get them talking about the BeNeLux. Who’ll they’ll outright tell don’t deserve any of their stuff in-game (even the unique) because “France doesn’t need them”, yet when you point out ZA wasn’t needed by the UK, they claim it’s a good sub-tree because it’s unique despite having all the issues they have with BeNeLux unique vehicles.
wait Gaijin is acknowledging a mistake? what do you guys really want from us? (other than our money and souls)
Copy-paste is added to give tech trees & players options, that’s all.
I will never play F-16AM NL, but that doesn’t mean it’s bad for the game or players. [Had difficulties finding a copy-paste, they’re harder to spot than I thought they would be.]
There is no gaslighting occurring, though you are deceiving yourself with fictional information.
Semi-based take.
The only Fox-3 carriers F-18As should be facing are the 13.0 ones, & light fighters such as Mig-29, F-16, JF-17, etc.
Don’t you mean “They add 5 copies of the same tank to inflate patch numbers and then ignore the tree because it doesn’t have a hole.” France never needed BeNeLux It’s almost entirely German and US vehicles and keeps getting them downgraded in priority because it’s easier to copy another Leo 1a5 to their tree than add a new domestic tank to the line. It Should have been added to the German tree as skins because it’s what they are in essence.
There is no need to egg on it. It is better now that they finally acknowledge it and work to improve on it. If everyone now just shows their worst they might as well pull back from it when they see people are just throwing insults. Is a good chance now to be better. Both ways.
I took that more as them wanting a BeNeLux techtree instead.
I’m not a fan of moving nations around after they’re added personally because of the precedent it’d set if they started doing that, but I can see why people wanted that as a techtree instead especially with how much the current subtree system hinders unique BeNeLux additions. Even now that the Leopard 1A5BE was added a lot of people were upset about the limited space because they’d rather see French options, which is a very unfortunate situation for fans of BeNeLux vehicles to be in.
They should have just been foldered German vehicles.
fair enough, TBH tho im just very skeptical atp with anything.
i would like realistic physics damage model for jets , like when jet is hitted by missiles plane go in pieces no only break off wings , like to see deteached nose and engines or fuseleage break off in two pieces , i know my request is impossible…
There’s only 2 copy-paste in France’s Benelux ground tree for MBTs, and they’re both Leopard 2A4s.
My Dutch friend already proved to me how Leopard 2A6NL is a brand new model.
2A5NL was already brand new.
Leopard 1A5BE is the first of its model in War Thunder.
CV9035NL is unique for IFVs… air is more complicated.
Calling unique vehicles “copy-paste” is deceiving yourself.
There has not been a copy-paste 1A5 added to the game in years.
I wish they, like many of the French mains on Reddit, are more willing to have Germany have unlimited access to allied vehicles used by allied nations, then let the BeNeLux have its own tree.
