Duplicate Vehicles: Why We Add Them

[Roboknight95-psn]

that’s hilarious

[fakedukekan]

I love seeing a proper response highlighting issues with this BS made-up answer justifying their lazy decisions, thank you

[Arctic-Fox]

I have no problem when TT variants are turned into duplicate premiums or when used as a much needed filler

The problem is when they are duplicated for seemingly no good reason since they don’t always fill a need
And also when a TT version of a premium can be added but doesn’t seem to be added to grind as much money out of it for years to come “cough” Finnish K9 - Norwegian VIDAR “cough”

[UglyRussianBunny]

Why not just admit you guys made a mistake, and then add a tech tree F-14D? It’d have given you so much community good will.

[Sutimester1019]

but they want their vehicles

[Real_K_Soze]

@Thomas_Belgium

I’m looking forward to seeing more examples of this type of communication in future devblogs. Explaining the reasoning behind vehicle additions is a good step and should help reduce a lot of confusion and speculation.

Seriously?

This gaijin statement is on par with the deaf response in May 2023 (80% of players never paid a cent) and just shows that gaijin is still able to tell fairy tales and people tend to buy this nonsense.

@Thomas_Belgium

I also appreciate the acknowledgement that nation identity matters and that duplicate vehicles are intended to fill lineup gaps rather than replace unique domestic vehicles.

Lol - nation identity is just gaijin’s way to earn money with players from nations without an own TT - whilst the inflation of nations representing these player preference waters down immersion as these nations played usually no role in a global context

@Thomas_Belgium

While I still think preserving distinct national character should remain a priority and that copy-paste additions should be used carefully, the commitment to continue developing unique vehicles alongside lineup fillers is reassuring. More transparency about why specific vehicles are chosen and what unique vehicles are planned for the future can only be a positive change.

You don’t get it…this ship is long sailed.

To make this clear (example aircraft):

1. Until 2017/2018 the game was driven by WW 2 content with all major participants (USSR, US; JP, UK and GER) and had despite its lack of atmosphere some kind of immersion via the axis vs allies MM which were quite accurate examples of a distinct national character.

2. Gaijin’s decision to implement supersonic aircraft required to add totally useless (regarding their WW2 contribution) nations like SWE or ISR as they had some interesting options of Mach 2 aircraft.

3. Adding these nations with c+p aircraft amongst ww2 BRs is the logical consequence of this - the majority of aircraft in the TTs (like FRA or CHN) never saw action in those countries during ww 2.

That means:

• Gaijin simply don’t understand that their tree / research concept does not work if you have too many eras and too many vehicles to grind. So they countered this by adding of countless c+p premium vehicles which killed the remaining immersion in its entirety. With the JP T-2 you started to see even mixed battles (=same nation fights each other in the same aircraft).

• So even when their strategy made economic sense (=maximizing profits) it is obvious that this strategy does just work until there are no shiny top tier vehicles left - and the CoD crowd will go somewhere else.

My pov:

Without an era separation (like WW2, 1945-1991 and 1992 - today) you can’t break the cycle of attracting players, ruining the ww2 experience for others due to a lack of interest/passion whilst they run out of money or time during the cold war era because they think that grinding / unlocking vehicles would be the purpose of this game.

[Overkross]

@Stona_WT

This is because our current approach with the higher ranks is to try and avoid placing entirely unique or historically important vehicles exclusively as premiums as much as possible.

Ok, If that was the case, why the J-22M1A is a exclusive premium vehicle?

Same deal with the F-14D, could be easily handled like what was the BMPT, that had a Tech Tree and a Premium version.

I really don’t mind to have 2 Premium Leopards if we have plenty of them on the Tech Tree.

[racimazzedine]

Angry over a flag ?
How weak of you.

[iegaatdao]

monthly BVVD Q&As so we can recieve more transparency as consumers please.

[99_Skill_Issues]

Because there literally are only a couple of world powers that develop the majority of unique military vehicles. Those are the major nations.

All the minor nations just are exported and copy paste vehicles, exactly what this whole problem is.

If I play or face France, I want to play or play against the unique and iconic French vehicles, not friggin’ F-16 #12083. France doesn’t even HAVE F-16’s in real life. But since it’s a premium, 90% of French opponents you face in game will fly an F-16 (face it, most people at high-tier play premiums). Same for the Leopard tank. Why are all French players I face sitting in a Leopard
Does not compute. And this is the whole problem. Cause by ‘gaps in a tree’. Which should be solved differently, or just not at all. Hell, split off the subtrees of minor nations completely.

[Pipimer]

@99_Skill_Issues

All the minor nations just are exported and copy paste vehicles, exactly what this whole problem is.

thats says that you know nothing… From Spain to Korea from Turkey to South Afrika you are so wrong go see the suggestions and then lets come talk

[RoboticFuriosity]

Its the cn players that where angry over a flag, thats why they excluded an entire population from being able to use their own flag

[racimazzedine]

No ? They were angry over japan getting their stuff.

Mixing stuff around wont make you right.

[Sutimester1019]

i m not angry over a flag i just dont understand why chine get special treatment and why they get their biggest enemy’s vehicles

[99_Skill_Issues]

I friggin KNOW. I’m not stupid. It’s still cool if minor nations have some unique vehicles. But they simply WONT have enough vehicles to completely fill the tree, have lineups, and not have gaps in their tree. THATS why they are different and not major nations.

[RoboticFuriosity]

nope, two different events man, the CN players where angry about the fact that the taiwanese flag was an option to change the TT flag to, since they dont see taiwan as a country

[THEPolishThunder]

I think it may have to do with appealing to the larger playerbase

[Shronkey2222]

Id personally like better gamemode for air/ground like capture the flag, king of the hill, attack/defend.

[Turtle_detective]

I would personally prefer if copy paste vehicles like the latest french leopard 1 would not be added at all and instead that time is spent on improving actual game issues/unique vehicles. Adding this leopard will just be another 190k that we need to grind to get to actual fun/unique vehicles. I guarantee you nobody is excited for the millionth copy paste leopard and that is just 1 of the examples of loads of vehicles.

I am happy to see at least some response but i still find this incredibly lackluster and i will personally not be spending any money on warthunder untill i see clear communication and response to all the major issues that many youtubers have made commentary on at this point. Asking the community to give their own opinions is always good but if whoever is making these decisions just opened youtube and looked at even 1 video that will give infinitely more insight than a forum post.

Have a great day.

[Pipimer]

yes there is so many suggestion about TT or Subtrees exist and they are good