You miss some parts the M44 helps in getting a better line-up in Japan, Italy and other countries in 4.0, and I’m the end just skip it if you don’t like it
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Well, I think that at least sometimes they duplicate vehicles simply because they don’t have a fixed route, nor a solution to the problem created. For example, the Magach 3 (ERA) was added to the American tech tree, and the Shot Kal Dalet to the British tech tree, and then after a while, they added the Israeli tech tree and instead of including those tanks as unlockable tech tree models, they made them premium again. This forces those who want to use certain tanks in their own country to spend money, and those who bought those tanks years ago because they thought the Israeli tech tree wouldn’t be added, and want to use them in their original country, have had to buy them again.
A brilliant monetary strategy.
Nonono you don’t get it. France needed them leopard 2s
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Oh yeah, where’s the lend lease Churchills III/IV, Matilda II Mk IV etc in the Soviet tree. I guess we’ll have to throw a anime skin on it to even be a valid addition
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I support this concept. As well as premium just being skip grind button if you want something from tech tree but without spending lots of time. Like buy su39 to get essentially su25t instantly. Or as early access solution, pay to get thing now or grind it for free in next patch. Maybe not for 60-70 us dollars tho.
I think the problem is that while duplicates fill some empty gaps and add stuff to lineup, they are necessary to grind if you wish to reach unique vehicle. You must go through centurions and t54/t62 to reach merkava.
2 things:
A) its a joke
B) even if we take it seriously, you cant just not play copy paste if you want to get unique vehicle. Israel and China - greatest examples.
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Indeed they’re good to fill gaps where there are no other options. Germany and Great Britain are not part of these nations that needed a M55 or a M44 to fill gaps. Germany has plenty of options for self-propelled howitzers, so does Great Britain.
The developers are using Japan with Indonesia and Italy with Hungary as mask for the real problem; one thing is adding copy and paste for real purpose of adding to a nation like the Leopard 2A7HU, the other is adding as blank filter to not add unique alternatives for each nation that can get those.
Many as well were been unique vehicles by themselves; where’s the T58 close equivalent in the research tree that I can’t see? The only thing T58 is close to is M103 which is the chassis, other than that the gun, mechanism and everything else besides the chassis is completely unique. I’ve talked about a potential fix for this “issue” in this post where the M1 Abrams and M1 Abrams KVT are good example of perfectly implemented Premium vehicles with cosmetics only and the Premium vehicle benefits as well. T58 and 2S38 is a bad example of vehicle that create a power gap between Premium vehicles and researchable vehicles in the tech tree.
I thought people were interested in effective and interesting event vehicles instead. However we (the people) seems to be more interested in the slop you guys (developers) brought to us in the form of australian CRV Block 2 and dutch F-16A which by the way, France is now housing the most amount of 5 total F-16 in its tech tree, USA is right behind with 4 in total, the issue here is not the dutch F-16AM (the Premium) but the laziness to add interesting event vehicles. By far Object 292 and F-14B Tomcat IRIAF were the only actually effective and interesting event vehicles in this new cycle.
Quite literally, because Finland itself has a handful unique vehicle to offer to the ground forces of Sweden in the research tree, out of 44 the great majority are copy and pasted and the few uniques are Premium or Event vehicles.
Usually per update we have about 40 to 50 new vehicles counting Premium and researchable vehicles, was it so costly to implement the Hummel earlier? It seems to be costly since most of unique vehicles are reserved to be Premium vehicles, aren’t they? Exactly the answer is no but in practice seems to be the case. Hummel, Grille, GW Tiger, Heuschrecke, Wespe or Sturm 33B would be great options as researchable vehicles.
If you guys are so kind to ask for suggestions, my request are:
- Add cosmetics variant of unique vehicles as Premium vehicles (M1 Abrams and M1 Abrams KVT example) or actually similar performing (2S38 and BRM-3K (BM-57)) as in the example post linked previously;
- Add effective and unique vehicles as Event vehicles, 45 000 to 35 000 points for whatever on wheels with Spike launcher and 30 mm Bushmaster II Mk 44 are not fun;
- If there are no options but copy and paste, specially for major nations either ask opinion of the players or don’t add anything until there are something unique for that nation (case with Germany M44 and Hummel).
- Premium vehicles should be (not most of the time) effective copy and paste counterparts for effective researching the tech tree (M1 Abrams and M1 Abrams KVT and F-2A and F-2A ADTW as example).
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Buy a premium and skip all the low tier, you can skip the copy paste if anyone wants
While I don’t necessarily mind duplicate vehicles being added as premiums, I think there is too many premiums being added every update that are all very similar. The recent Puma U14 and the M60A1 predator are examples that I like, they look unique which is nice, but I feel like Chinese high tier is oversaturated with vehicles some of which should have been tech tree vehicles.
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Literally, sure the trasparency words in any new devblog are cool i guess
But for real it is a way to try to look cool after this update mess XD
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But it explain why there are M44 in different tech trees - to fill the (gameplay/BR) gaps (existing back then/still) before something else (if available) be ready to implement.
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Don’t listen to the sloptuber bandwagon. Duplicate premiums are THE BEST premiums. Because if you don’t buy them you still have the same gameplay experience from the tree.
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Quick Summary TLDR:
C&P of a TT vehicle as a premium is fine, but make it unique to that tree and ideally something specific to that nation.
dont just slap Leopard 2s, F-16s, F-18s, Mig-29s, Su-30s, etc etc etc into every single tree as a premium.
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Cool. Now all that’s left is to get an answer about the vehicles for which VERY little data is being added, regarding the Ostfind II type, and the reasons why some vehicles are being removed (which reasons are decisive in this matter). I wouldn’t mind seeing the comments regarding homemade vehicles like the BTR-3D and Super Pershing.
Thank you, now let me go research and stock grind my 20th leopard 2 variant. It brings oh so much variety to the game, the tedium of grinding the same vehicle in 4 trees is surely just an unfortunate side effect and not the desired effect.
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I’ve got a feeling that if you guys didn’t add the M44 to other tech trees then people would still find a way to complain about it
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Why not make it a focus, in that case, to model domestic alternatives for multiple trees at the same time
At top tier you often introduce new Soviet and NATO MBTs at the same time, so why not do so for unique low tier SPGs
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We really need new game mode to be honest. Having the same thing since 2012. is just… idk
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I understand this, but there are some people that play more trees and therefore lots of duplicates in the game.
Where could we suggest a system that perhaps gives you RP boost when you are grinding a duplicate vehicle when you have it spaded on another tree?
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It’s called having an export market, complain to the US government and have them stop exporting vehicles instead of blaming gaijin
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