Save the unique vehicle for events, unique vehicle should NOT be locked behind a paywall
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I do agree with the oversaturation of certain vehicles. The F-18 premium should have been a US only premium and the other nations should have received a Copy/Paste of their own nationality. The same thing occurred again with the Su-30 premiums which I was not a fan of.
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I would be almost willing to put money on the next few major updates including at least 2 more premium F-16s, likely with AMRAAM
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I believe that when a vehicle is added it should have at least 2 variants, a TT one and a premium one
For example, we could add a Fw-189 A-2 to justify a premium Fw-189.
Or the IA.58A (most produced variant) Pucará would be TT while the AI.58B (30mil armed variant) would be premium.
In cases we don’t see any variants of a vehicle (prototypes) you can add the competitor for it.
For example the soviet I-250 would be TT and Sukhoi Su-5 would be premium.
If historical teams return (axis vs allies, Warsaw vs NATO), then any “lend-lease” or purchased aircraft that would fall under “Copy and Paste” would %100 be premiums.
Captured vehicles removed unless modified by captor.
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I should say, my most ideal copy paste scenario is something like the clickbait. Essentially a tech tree vehicle with similar equipment and an interesting model difference. Hell the new PUMA VJTF is a perfect example, no special/unique system that makes it any better than the tree version yet has an interesting unique model.
Though it could be argued it might be better for the health of the game if they added a “Premium” skin system to the game that had similar unique models. Maybe replace the concept of premium all together and add a “Super Talisman” that adds total premium vehicle benefits to any vehicle you want and sell unique skins/models for base tech tree vehicles. You could even do what Gabe N does for Dota 2 and let creators make unique models that people can vote on and just give them a slight commission.
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I’m up for the middle, Premium vehicles usually give away some advantage depending on the vehicle obviously, e.g. 2S38 being the only high-caliber Russian autocannon platform while similars could’ve been added like the BRM-3K (57) in the tech tree to give away people unable to affort a Premium vehicle—a tech tree counterpart.
In some instances where this couldn’t be possible like the T58 Heavy Tank an unique Premium (with cosmetics) could be considered like:
Real examples in-game are the M1 Abrams and the M1 KVT Abrams which has little changes in between except the weight removal of the sideskirts when comparing the tech tree and its Premium variant.
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M1 Abrams and the KVT are another good example. The side skirts thing is very minimal and negligible in my opinion. 2S38 is definitely a bad offender for having no current tech tree equivalent yet is insanely powerful. I don’t mind things like the 2S38 in the game but to lock it behind a paywall with no tech tree equivalent is diabolical.
I am honestly shocked they restrained themselves by adding a tech tree variant of the BMPT Terminator and didn’t just lock it behind a paywall.
I do mostly agree with this. Though I think the Clickbait is an entirely separate can of worms in that it could easily be 12.7, but is at 12.0 pretty much exclusively for the purpose of not then being a top tier premium.
But they can also be frustrating as hell with it, like for example the Challenger 2 OES. Could have picked a number of vehicles to fullfill the premium Challenger 2 and they pick maybe the weakest possible version (Massive weight increase for basically no value). Hopefully the ERA can be removed at some point and then it becomes an okay premium at 11.7.
So yeah, a variant of an existing premium is fine, but they just need to pick smart (especially if they want to sell the damn things)
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The difference of the clickbait from other Abrams variants will be a bit wider once the new rounds are added to the SEP vehicles. At least there will be a more substantial difference compared to them just lacking better gunner thermals.
I am also indifferent with the Chally 2 OES. I’d rather the premium vehicle be weaker than stronger than the tech tree variant but would obviously be happiest if they were parity with unique paint jobs and visually different and appealing models that looked lived in by a crew. A great example of this would be something like a T72B3 premium with cope cages and a war torn appearance, bits of razor wire hanging from the engine or covered in slate armor, etc…
The senrai maidens slop needs to be nuked from the game imo.
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Yeah, that I do agree with too. Not necessarily against the genre, though not my cup of tea at all, but its just completely opposite to what WT should be. Its the kind of thing that you’d expect for WoT
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nuke it but gimme my money back (or change it to something else)
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I would rather not lock unique vehicles behind pay walls.
I like the model of having premium vehicles just being something you pay for to research faster.
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At this point. I kinda wish they just got rid of research effeciency and then added a second talisman at equal cost to the RP talisman for SL bonus.
Effectively, allowing you to turn any vehicle into a premium, with premiums only being a unique variant and reduced repair costs.
Id kill to have a premium version of a few existing vehicles like a Buc S2 just for Printing SLs
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Yeah if you could get both a Lion and RP Talisman it would fix a lot of problems but Gaijin is likely afraid it could effect their bottom line. I would argue the player good will would bring in greater revenue in the long run but what the hell do I know.
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RNZAF F-16B for China with AIM-120Bs because of technical compatability except they just port the model directly from the F-16AJ
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I think you’re missing an extra layer to this discussion.
While I think that premiums should be copy-paste vehicles, it’s also important that trees have a unique feel. That’s a big part of why I think the M1A1 Click bait is fine, but the F-16AM premium for France is an awful addition.
Additionally, these things can’t be viewed in a vacuum. The F-16AM is being added to a tree that:
- Over the last two years has gotten 50%+ imported copy-paste ground and air due to it’s new subtree
- Is on it’s third subsequent subtree imported premium
- Hasn’t had a single domestic ground or air design all year.
I’d suggest adjusting the categories to your poll:
- Domestic Copy & Paste Premium Vehicles (Senrai Maidens/ClickBait/etc…)
- Import Copy & Paste Premium Vehicles (Leopard 2a4 Otco/ F-16AM/ Tigris/PZH2000hu)
- Domestic Unique Premium Vehicles (Prototypes/Rare Vehicles)
- Don’t care/Don’t Mind either way
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I can tolerate both if it’s done within reason. Such as putting more effort than just slapping a different coat of paint on the place in another tech tree. Such as the Me-210; it could have changed the German text to Japanese at the least.
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I almost feel like it would be a waste because I believe its fairly accepted at this point that the vast majority of the player base prefers domestic vehicles over imported. I can’t remember a single point in time, even back to when Germany received the CL-13 and Mig-15 Bis that there wasn’t massive backlash. While i’m fine with some imported vehicles, they should be the lowest on the priority list to be added if a domestic variant is available at a similar BR.
and it doesn’t help that there are a few players out there who a dead-set on convincing people that the Dutch Leopard 2a4’s smoke launcher array, or some obscure Canadian centurion, are unique vehicles that are due the same attention as actual domestic vehicles for that tree.