F-4K Phantom FG.1 from Royal Navy never armed AIM-9L sure. But I hope roll back before changed battle rating
And F-4K Phantom F.3 from premium tree armed AIM-9L like F-4M Phantom DGR.2 in tech tree ? 🤔
FG.1 did carry AIM-9L in service. What I’m saying is they werent deployed in Falklands together with FGR.2.
Personally I think FGR.2 should be the only British Phantom in game to be equipped with AIM-9L since it was the last and most versatile model phased out of British service.
FG.1 and F.3 should keep AIM-9G and Skyflash but move down to 11.7 BR.
Yeah, even the F4JUK is worse than the FGR2/FG1. This decompression was half-arsed at best. Gunna spam the hell out of the next set of BR changes (on account they want 1 post per suggested change). This decompression has only made that list longer
For the F4C, the missiles aren’t the problem, its mainly the lack of flares. Though in general the F4C needs flares, and the Aim-7E.
This and that it’s the same BR as the U.S. F4J/F4S, both of which are so much better compared to british phantoms, especially the British F4J.
Before the BR changes and now, I genuinely see no point in even using British phantoms as it was always at the same BR as the U.S. F4J/F4S and the Tornado F3/ADV despite them being literally better than the British phantoms in some or most aspects.
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The only place I use them now is sim due to 11.3 BR
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It’s been well established at this point the F-4C didn’t use flares. So instead we need to give it access to its improved armaments.
They didnt mount them is service but were capable of doing so. Where’s the problem? F-5Cs and F-104Gs get flares for the same exact reason.
The F-5C gets them due to it being a renamed 5A which could mount flares. While 104G’s were upgraded by various nations to be able to carry CM’s. However the air force F-4’s didn’t access to CM’s until the D variant.
Really ?
Royal Navy service F-4K Phantom FG.1 armed AIM-9L ?
F-4J Phantom F.3 mounted AIM-9L in RAF service or trial ?
I could be wrong, but I dont think Phantom FG1s recieved Aim-9L whilst in Royal Navy service, but they did when they were transfered into RAF Service after HMS Ark Royal was decommissioned in 1979. So the question is whether or not the FG1 we have in service is the RAF variant or the FAA Variant.
That being said. I think the discussion is somewhat irrelevant. With 2 essentially identical aircraft in our tree. It would be simple to then give the FGR2 Aim-9Ls and leave the FG1 with Aim-9Gs. Then they could have different BRs respectively.
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The problem with improved armaments is that it will raise its BR, and the lack of flares will make it even more of a problem. A good example of this is the F-1 in the Japanese tech tree, where it has good armament but due to being flareless, it suffers alot.
I would rather have the F4C in its current implementation to be put at a lower BR than give it better armament and be placed at a higher BR.
Another option would be to replace the F4C with the F4D, which would give us an early phantom with flares.
the best bit is the Brit Phantoms are still only a step below the EJ Kai, which has internal gun (which means it can go faster or can carry more fuel) has AIM-9Ls, a arguably superior radar, and AIM-7Fs, yet it’s still only 1 BR step up.
Not to mention the Brit Phantoms are the same BR as the American 7F slingers (the F-4J and S, again, better in a significant number of regards)
HOW?
iirc that’s correct, but I’ve no idea if the one we have in game represents an actual RN Phantom or an RAF (ex-RN) Phantom
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I have no idea… I can almost forgive them before the decompression… But after… It is just idiotic.
As it has the CMs, im inclined to think it may be the RAF version as a small nugget of information that could be wrong in the back of my head tells me that the Phantoms CMs were a later addition.
But in either case. With 2 identical airframes. One could easily be left.
I mean anything with AIM-7Fs should automatically be a BR block above anything that doesn’t… especially after the Multipathing changes.
anyway…
Honestly I’d buy that. I mean, they ran Buccaneers without AN/ALE-40 for a decent amount of time.
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Yeah, I think it was right in that time period that CMs were starting to be standard. Remember the SHars in the Falklands only received CM pods at the start of the war and only NAS 800 on Hermes. NAS801 on Invicibile never recieved them (well recived 2 unusable ones due to damage right at the end of the war)
I think it was during the 1980s that CMs on aircraft were far more normal (though the Buc S2 did have the hardpoint mounted CM pods which considering its normal role and loadout was probably more than suffecient)
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And now it is 12.0!
Exactly! And F4E are many times downtier to face 10.3/10.7! Everythime i try grind for unlock my belgium planes with my Jaguar A or Mirage 3/5 who are 10.7 …(oh stupid gaijin and their weird BR for no Soviet/German), i always face a F4E. ANd since Phantom German top tier was buffed, the F4E seems more agile even in Simulation i have some hard moment vs him with my J7D/E!
The British Phantom was ALWAYS since beginning to high BR. He crap radar and his false doppler velocity who are HEAd On too, is useless completely even in ACM. go try it but am sure most of you don’t even have it. Even for ground Payload, the Gr1 (Gr means ground in british) are weaker than F4E because only Dumb bombs and SNEB rocket. Skyflash are a joke and work identic as sparrow 2E dogfight. Only his Royce Rolls engine is better. Absolutely no place in 12.0, must go same as F4E both to 11.3 like early Mig 23!!!
So I decided that gaijin not forget add AIM-9L on F-4J(UK) and F-4M Phantom FGR.2 for next major update
I hope so, fighting F-14’s and F-15s is horrendous in that thing.
The aircraft is the definition of outclassed even against other 12.0’s.
You have the worst manoeuvrability at the br (perhaps excluding tornado) with the draggier gunpod at best then its tied with F-4J.
You have 4 radar missiles when the F-4J/S have 6 to your 4, F-4J and S also have HMS and you don’t.
They can both also take the same number of IR’s as you
They also get 7F’s to your Skyflash which are worse kinematically than 7E-2 as there are no relevant seeker differences.
You can’t even slam people at longer ranges at the same br with your HMS-less, brickiest plane at that br with no all aspect IR’s…
I’d prefer they went down to 11.7 rather than get the 9L’s as it minimises the number of F-14s and F-15’s you can fight.
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