Sorry, I don’t think the US needs anymore BR handouts in the air.
Also, why would the F-4F getting historical missiles warrant a BR lowering for the F-4E?
Lol the F-4E doesn’t even get it’s historical loadout and gaijin said ‘no’ when asked. lel
F-5E is practically better than the F-4E. For most regards. If the F-5E could carry just two more J’s I would say it would outclass the F-4E in it’s entirety. If anything the F-5E should be 11.0 and the F-4E should be 10.7
F-4E’s radar is legitimately worse than the F-8E’s. The F-8E can at least lock targets at close range at low altitudes. The F-4E can’t even do that.
So at this point you’re stuck with a ground RB bomb truck that can’t turn (Even though the israelis found it to be better turning than the Nesher. Couldn’t even get it to outrate the Nesher.) and has a nigh non functional inhistorical radar if you dip 0.1 degrees below the horizon, making one half of your armament completely worthless. It’s basically the same reason why people say not to bring the AIM-7s on the F-4C. Because the radar is just that bad.
So yes, I believe it needs to be kicked down. Unless they completely revamp how non PD radar works because they have a whole system they need to implement otherwise.
To make matters worse, we don’t even know exactly what version the F-4E is supposed to be because when Gaijin originally implemented it, even they didn’t even know what block model this thing was supposed to be and made it a major amalgamation of certain aspects while leaving the other parts completely unimplemented.
The whole plane was implemented by people who didn’t have an idea on what they wanted it to be. Which trashed the whole thing.
If F4F get 9L, the only change is F4F will go to 11.3 like F104ASA…
Dude, it still has AIM-7s where most other nations have no BVR or radar even close to that under 11.0.
You want the F-4E, with 4 AIM-7es and 4 AIM-9Js and a crap load of cannon ammo to face vehicles that don’t even have chaff or flares? The F5E is amazing, and the US has plenty of amazing vehicles under 11.0 I don’t see why the F-4F getting a better weapon when it can only carry half off the AAMs that the F-4E can should make the F4E go down.
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I love how you completely ignored the point I made.
The radar on the F-4E does absolutely NOTHING I don’t care about BVR as it’s a complete non issue. It’ll just be added onto the other list of planes with Radar missiles.
We don’t see people complaining about the F-4C with it’s AIM-7s, do we now?
By your logic, the F-8E, F-4C and Mig-21SMT should be 11.0 because they got radar missiles, and at least the radar actually works on the F-8E.
F-4E carries less ammo than the F-104, and don’t even count the gun pods because at that point you might as well argue the F-4C should be 10.7. The AIM-7s have already been pointed out as a non issue as the F-4E’s radar does jack squat and is actually worse than the F-8E because if you dip below the horizon, or there’s mountains behind the target, it doesn’t matter you won’t score a lock. Your only time you’re a ‘threat’ with the AIM-7s is if someone flies up to 8000 meters. Huh. Kinda like what F-8Es, Mig-21 SMTs and F-4Cs already do? So what ‘changes’? Nothing.
The only thing it has going for it are AIM-9Js and that’s it. Which already at 11.0 aren’t that good as you’re facing… I dunno. all-aspect missiles
Swapping the BRs with the F-5E with the F-4E is the only logical solution. F-5E basically loses no speed in a turn with it’s insane energy retention, durable, tiny visage therefore hard to hit. The only ‘minuses’ being no BVR missiles and lower top speed compared to temporaries.
F-4E should be shoved down to reduce the chances of it seeing all-aspects. With a gimped airframe, bad radar and slower accelerating it’s just cannon fodder. Literally the meta for it is to straight up just drop bombs and run off or sling whatever AIM-9Js it has and then just die. At that point, the F-4E is just crap to the rest of the other aircraft it commonly faces while the F-5E has way better prospects as it not only has the maneuverability but the flares as well to dodge the all-aspects. The F-4E doesn’t.
Holy, what point were you trying to make? That’s the F-4E is modeled wrong? How is that a point?
How am I suppose to talk to you? You ignored everything and even your initial statement was nonsense,. you still haven’t said why the F4E should go down if the F-4F finally gets its missiles that it’s been missing. You’re bringing up that the F-104 has more ammo? And? The F-4E has more ammo than other jets.
Can we move all the AIM-9L slingers higher? At least the F-4E actually has flares and chaff to deal with the all aspect missiles. I really…just can’t even.
I highly recommend to try other nations before complaning about vehicles from your only played nation.
F-4E is a very solid 11.0. Jack of all trades you could say.
On a sidenote - most of my kills on Kurnassm F-4E and F-4EJ are with radar missiles. Stats are almost reversed since I use them for bombing or cas exclusively.
to return this to the actual topic, I dont think 9Ls would be at all problematic for current compression for either of these aircraft. If there is a serious plan to decompress the TT within the next 6 months, then I can see why they want to leave it with just 9Gs.
But prehaps as an alternative. What about finished SRAAMs? They were slated for the Phantoms before the program was cancelled, and they should get limited all-aspect power with a max range of about 2km soon™. Could that be enough to give them an extra edge without actually needing BR change
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Well this aged poorly. Even with the decompression changes they did, all british phantoms still got moved up to 12.0br with the U.S. F4J and F4S. I find it unlikely at this point that gaijin will give the UK phantoms Aim 9L.
At this point, gaijin needs to at least drop the FG1 and FGR2 BR down to 11.7br where the Mig 23 ML, MLA, and MLD reside, and the UK F4J to 11.3br.
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Yeah, phantoms have officially been rendered DOA.
0 justification for their current BRs now and 0 reason why they couldn’t get Aim-9Ls. Or at least the FGR2
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I just want my falklands config FGR.2…
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Ita crazy that nearly a year later and its only gotten worse for the phantom and its a shame that gaijin probably won’t give the british ones some 9Ls
The F-4C got up tiered with out getting better missiles, so I doubt the FGR will either.
F-4C problem arent the missiles but lack of flares
What’s crazy is that even after the decompression. The phantoms are still the same BR as the F3.
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Im still amazed that F-4S is at the same exact BR as F-4J (UK) while being better or the same in literally every aspect
F-4M Phantom FGR.2 armed AIM-9L in Falklands ?
So I might hope gajin add AIM-7E on F-4C in next major update
Yeah AIM-9L was standard issue for British Phantoms during Falklands war
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So gajin no problem add AIM-9L on F-4M Phantom FGR.2
But F-4J Phantom F.3 (RAF) & F-4K Phantom FG.1 (RN) armed AIM-9L like Phantom FGR.2 in Falklands war ?
FGR.2 was the only Phantom used in Falklands iirc. F.3 definitely wasnt since its whole purpose was to replace FGR.2 in defence of home islands in UK (since fair amount of FGR.2s went to fight in Falklands).
Imo F.3 and FG.1 should stay as they are but at lower BR of 11.7 while FGR.2 can receive AIM-9L and stay 12.0