just wondering
yup
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Yes, and one of them is currently in-game, good man.
You might poke the hornet’s nest talking like that
To be very fair, it’s missiles that can count. Probably the F-15EX would likely have the most impact/power due to missile count, whilst retaining marginally good acceleration and all that good stuff for staying alive in air rb.
Other than that. A jet with 8-10 aim 120A/B/C-5s is nothing great. Its mostly the missile that has good range but not the greatest pull at all. Probably worser amongst people who have played competitive tournaments wheres its actually useless but the C-5 is surprising more than you think in air rb.
Eitherway, unless you get realistically get a jet that has as many missiles as the F-15EX( i know the F-15CGE has a bug report for it, but not happening anytime soon tbh) or a super hornet(lets be honest super bug/hornet aint really that great cuz its still heavy. Not nice but more missiles n aesa)
America wont simply have the best or like meta jet. Rafale with mica’s will simply dominate.
- You’d need a jet with great twr characteristics whilst maintaining a very decent instantaneous turn rate. Basically an air rb jet that can go fast and turn, doesnt have to be the best dogfighter, rafale actually in 1v1 guns dogfight isn’t realistically the best, these jets: eurofight F-2A, gripen etc all can do really well against it.
- You need a missile that has more than 35G overload, like honestly if you do not have atleast a 40G missile, Micas or R-77-1/R-77 50G missiles will probably be make the winning case when you go notch for notch with someone.
- Mica seeker, disclaimer being its not OP, as many make it out to be, the simple way of defeating is simply staying in the notch longer than normal but thats because the seeker sees less of an area compared to wat it normal sees, so it can relocate the jet quickly and thats why most people die to it very easily. Now because of that seeker people panic or leave the notch quickly, and die. This causes teams to wipe out quickly and collapse but if people can adjust, that’d be great. However you will lowkey be always on the disadvantage. Since mica platform carriers will always recommit to the notch before you can to return fire.
These are the certain things you need to look out for wether your jet can make an impact in the game.
My opinion of the most impactful jets?(mainly for 16v16 gameplay)
- Rafale
- Su30sm
- Mirage 2000s with the micas(France, china) at 14.0
- Eurofighter
- Hornets, F-15E.(basically trade offs but F-15E is the better one for the most part anyway)
- All the 13.7s
Eurofighter once again carries aim-120s and only 6 fox3 pylons so it lacks endurance which the rafale and su30sm make up with their fox3 amounts. Eurofighter has a great rwr and best dogfight model and actually a great air rb flight model. But still just those missiles reduce its impact unlike a su30, mirage 2000(because mica em, people panick die etc), or Rafale who’s missile are a bit more deadly or just way more in numbers. But a good euro pilot can help his team way more if he does try absorbing for them since like i said great rwr and great amount of countermeasures. In a 1v1 it should be able to hold its own tho.
Eitherway tldr, youre just going to need to know this before expecting a jet to be able to make an impact or be meta in anyway. Otherwise most jets might seem dead on arrival but they are just not as impactful as you think. F-15CGE isnt bad its just a normal F-15C which youve had but never with the aesa radar or bol pods which it gets. So its sort of new and nice.
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if they Give the GE 12 missiles and fix the flight model it would already be one of the best 14.3. also the super Hornet would be pretty nice, would kind play like an better su30.
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In the December update, maybe.
LOL calling the F-15C GE as viable is generous. Is like calling the F-15A meta back when it was released, while its gameplay experience was the closest thing to play a ranked game in War Thunder.
The Golden Eagle was objectively DOA as it landed to the game (and still is). If you choose it above the Rafale, EFTs or even the Su-30, you’re wilingfully putting yourself at a disadvantage.
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I dont know about calling it one of the best 14.3s
its flight performance would still be worse than average, and even with 4 extra missiles its missile load would still be 2nd worst due to how bad AMRAAMs are for the current meta
any US top tier will be inherently gimped by the awful state of AIM-120s
Not in game.
But, everything except of raptor kinda mid
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Out of the statcards I saw of people claim this, only one user had issues with it, as well as other competitive aircraft, but also did ~80% better in most other aircraft.
Dementia here is performing identically in his F-15C GE as all his other aircraft.
A cross-comparison already deemed F-15E and F-15C GE better than almost all 14.0s.
People performing consistently in vehicles is another indicator, though I prefer cross-analysis myself as that’s something I worked with for over a decade.
Evidence/data isn’t matching claims.
Which is why none of my posts here contain my opinion.
I’m not going to state an opinion that might conflict with data.
Garuntee the raptor will be mid when it comes to WT. 16.0 jet with no hmd is DOA so get used to the GE.
F/A-18E would have similar or more likely worse Airframe performance than F/A-18C
yes it would get new sensors, and could get new missiles but the Bottleneck is still the Airframe and that won’t be better
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16.0? You think AIM-9X is that strong?
It wouldn’t be because it’s stealth.
It wouldn’t be because it has or will have the best (or second, only to the F-15EX) AESA in the game.
It wouldn’t be because its engines are far stronger than the ones in the F-15E.
But sure, the mid Sidewinders alone are what’s gonna put it up there. Also, 16.0 is pushing it lol. 15.0 at best. The ‘leap’ from 4.5 gen to 5th isn’t that much aside from detection range which in war thunder won’t matter much since u gotta get closer anyway
The F-22 weighs more than the Su-35. It needs that extra thrust to remain above 1:1.
The stealth aspect will help against radar missiles launched from longer ranges, and mostly in simulator.
However, with the predictability of player placement in air RB, as well as RWRs, it’ll be rather easy to pin point stealth aircraft; and that’s without relying on the air RB’s names above planes.
Simulator will need tighter brackets for sure, but for the other air modes the biggest difference will be the missiles and long-range engagement defense it has… unless players change how they play.
Good post, but the F-15A was the best top aircraft at the time.
I have disagreements about the use of “DOA”, but my only goal with this reply is to make your post a better portrayal of your views of F-15C GE.
Maybe you could cite J-11A’s initial release instead as a way to portray your feelings.
By like 700 kg? 😂 The weight difference isn’t that much, but the difference in engine power definitely is
Agreed
Honestly after 14.0 everything is pretty much the same. Stealth won’t change much since ESA radars or IRST can see you at these closer ranges. IMO, I’d just stick the 4.5 gen and 5th gen jets in one BR range and call it a day
that will be dependent on when and against what it will fight.