https://man.fas.org/dod-101/sys/land/pgu-14.htm
When i say Gaijin PURPOSELY KEEPS THE AMERICAN TECH TREE NERFED, TO GIVE SOVIET TANKS A HIGHER CHANCE OF Survival I MEAN IT FOR A REASON. I told smin this over 2 years ago.
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The AH-64’s M230E1 can load DEFA 30x113mm AP rounds.
The M230 cant take 30x173mm my dude.
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Let him cook (already cooked).
No reason for the AH-1W to exist? Right right, there’s also no reason for any vehicle in-game to exist at all with that logic
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I don’t know if you’re joking, or genuinely this stupid.
I want you to use this fantastical device of all-knowing-knowledge that’s in front of you, and show me the caliber of the M230.
After that, I want you to show me the caliber of the GAU-8/A.
Then, I’d like you to tell me how either of these are relevant to each other in any way
The M230 is only capable of firing M789 HEDP or subsequent training rounds, such as M778 or M848 (cannot be fired, as is inert).
Even then, whatever AP rounds the DEFA “has” (it doesn’t have any) aren’t fired through the M230, nor the LW30.
Other way around, the ADEN and DEFA cannot fire M789 or M848, the M230 and M230E1 are both capable of firing all NATO inventory 30x113mm rounds.
Grumman flat out states this in their M230 brochure, but please keep spewing falsehoods.
M230 30mm Bushmaster® Chain Gun® (agencyq.site)
Edit :
Oh hey look orbital ATK says the same exact thing.
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It’s a less mobile version of the AH-1Z, and at the very most you get 8 rockets that still boast warheads of under 10kg.
Have fun firing a HEAT warhead of <10kg at any vehicle with ERA, let alone getting more than 1 kill with the 4 salvos you can fire. They’re useless in almost every regard for helicopter use, and are not at all worth the downgrades.
“The gish”
So… The exact shells I listed. 30mm “ADEN” / “DEFA” is the name of the caliber itself, and without substantiation of its use of AP… there’s no argument here.
I don’t see any listing of 30-4G, do you? What about OAPEI? Not even the XM914 fires anything past HEDP and HE-P.
By all means though, list 1 shot that isn’t M788 or M789 that the M230 fires, and you have this one.
Conraire still not able to speak about SUB-1536, apparently. The silence is deafening.
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Russian ERA hasn’t been able to stop HEAT, especially delivered from a top-down envelope. So keep hoping that Gaijin artificially preserves your deathtraps.
Maybe you can ask Red Effect to reupload his video explaining how Russian roof ERA will make top-attack ATGMs useless. The same video he removed after top-attack missiles destroyed Russian tanks with ERA wholesale. XD
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The ADEN and DEFA cant fire the M788 and M789, the addition of “ADEN and DEFA Ammunition” outright cannot reference them, only the rounds the ADEN and DEFA can fire, amazing how that works.
Stop trying to be daft, I gave you two manufacturer documents stating that any round the ADEN and DEFA can be fired through the M230, I owe you nothing more, you have been proven wrong and nothing you can level will prove otherwise.
But I implore you, go to orbital ATK and find a brochure on the M230 that states otherwise, because I went to them and found this, I’m sure you can find something, maybe a modern brochure that forgets that line.
(spoiler alert, both documents are from 2023)
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He doesn’t need to, it’s already been shown as insufficient / debunked.
“As needed” was obvious enough it meant they used DU in turrets. Per Gaijin’s reasoning. The only nonsense is on your end. …as I said, don’t bother with that “might, could, etc.” flawed logic and cope. If “as needed” justified DU in turrets per Gaijin, it means the same thing for hulls.
Also, VA said it’s in hulls since 98. So please stop with your fetal alcohol syndrome nonsense.
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I’ll say it a 6th? time…
You’re claiming that’s their only source. It’s not. There are quite literally dozens of sources showing it has DU in the turret, none that prove it’s in the hull. It’s not the entire basis from which gaijin determined the turrets use DU.
In the military, “as needed” might as well mean never. Ask people who served about all the cold weather gear they were issued and told to wear “as needed” but never got the opportunity.
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Russian mains BTFO’d when a basic understanding of licenses goes against every spin and cope they’ve tried so far. “The amendment didn’t change the license.” “It only renewed the license.” “It doesn’t mean they actually used the DU even though they bothered to update the license to grant them permission to use the DU in hulls as much as they’ve used them in turrets.” “The wrong words are in bold.” “There are no bold letters.” “It’s not an amendment.” “Gaijin is correct and smart.”
Please, the nonsense is entirely on your end. Russian mains trying not to project level=impossible.
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