Discussion on the position of T-90 series tank autoloader/magazine

Many players may not be aware that there are differences in the magazine positions of T-72 series tanks and T-90 series tanks in the current game. Simply put, the magazine position of T-90 series tanks in the game is lower than that of T-72 series tanks, and I will use some images and sources I have to discuss with everyone whether this is correct.
Firstly, let’s start with the line graph. Here are some file pictures about the autoloader. Please pay attention to the corresponding positions of the hoist, roof, and main gun of the automatic loading machine in the pictures:



In the two pictures above, we can see that according to the loading and ejection logic of the automatic loader, the circular ring that receives the shell should be located directly behind the gun and aligned with the main gun:
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At the same time, the top of the hoist is directly in contact with the turret top due to its linkage with the ejection window:
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it can also confirmed in the structural diagram of the loader:
the circular ring of the projectile mechanism is located directly behind the main gun
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Okay, so far we can determine what the correspondence between the T-72/90 series tank’s hoist and ejection shell device and the main gun and roof should be in the document.
Next, let’s take a look at the position of the magazine in the file:

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According to the document, it appears that the position of the magazine is slightly higher than the rear fuel tank due to the need for the torsion bar suspension to pass through the bottom of the vehicle,This results in the top of the magazine being slightly higher than the fuel tank:
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Of course, so far our discussion has only been on paper, and the documents mentioned are only drawn pictures, which may differ from reality.So what would happen to real-life photos?

Let’s still start with the correspondence between the hoist and the gun/roof:
The photo is from a T-90M tank, and we can confirm this from the CITV base on the red circle on the left.
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There doesn’t seem to be any difference, as the top end of the launcher is still tightly attached to the ejection window on the roof of the turret.
At the same time, the circular ring of the throwing shell mechanism is also facing the rear of the main gun, which is not much different from the document:


So far, we have confirmed that the relative position of the hoist and the receiving and throwing shell mechanism is not different in reality and in the documents. Now let’s take a look at the magazine:


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It seems that the magazine is indeed higher than the rear fuel tank, and we can also see that the front baffle of the magazine is slightly lower than the magazine itself.

The discussion about reality ends here, let’s take a look at its position in the game:
Firstly, let’s pay attention to the circular ring of the throwing shell device and the main gun. In reality, the circular ring aligns with the axis of the main gun:



It seems that the ring is lower than the axis of the main gun, which is different from reality.
Then let’s observe the relationship between the top of the hoist and the roof:


Well, it’s obvious that both issues exist simultaneously, and the top position of the hoist is also low.

Next, let’s take a look at the magazine. In reality, the top of the magazine should be higher than the fuel tank and also higher than the front bumper:




Same issue. The magazine is completely in the same plane as the fuel tank, with no slightly higher position, and the front end is completely submerged below the front bumper. This problem is even more prominent on the T-90M, where the magazine has sunk to the bottom of the front bumper.

Okay, it seems that gaijin did make a mistake in the position of the T-90 series autoloader/magazine. What is your opinion?Share in the comments below.

  • Yes, gaijin made a mistake
  • The information is not sufficient and may also be due to visual errors
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By the way, regarding similar tanks in China, their rings of shell handling devices in the game also do not align with the axis of the main gun. I suspect that there are also issues with their magazine and autoloader positions. However, I do not have any information about Chinese tanks. Perhaps you can prove that gaijin’s production is correct or incorrect? Share your opinions.

This will be a welcome ‘buff’ (more like accurate modelling) :)

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The Chinese one had a more general problem with the placement of the autoloader, much more obvious than the Russian ones if using photos, however as a result of lack of diagrams, it is taking Gaijin quite long, not sure fixed or not. The RUssian ones could also do with different parts of autoloader, so that u don’t have to fix the whole thing.

I have seen in the bug report section that someone has suggested that the body model of ZTZ99 is incorrect, which may directly affect the magazine position? I don’t know. However, it is evident that these issues have not been fixed.

That was ZTZ99A, and it is now fixed. Still issues with autoloader position, think it is too low and does not hide properly under maximal cover of UFP. Also that was subject to 2m crews at one point for Chinese tanks.

I remember someone mentioned that there were also issues with the hull modeling of the ZTZ99 series, but gaijin has only fixed the 99A so far, and it is unclear when the modeling problem with the 99 will be fixed

Yeah that is the autoloader modelling, but not sure anything significant with the hull, except the fact that ZTZ99A and WZ1001 has now been levelled in terms of protection, when they in fact use different hulls.

我也觉得内部构造不准确

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论坛不让用中文,实在不行用translate

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@Stona_WT Can you confirm this issue? Perhaps it can be fixed soon?

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emm anybody care about this?

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If it were a NATO vehicle, the forums would be filled with posts about it.

If on Russian forum, perhaps more people will discuss it.

Maybe, have you put it on there yet?

nope, I can’t.Russian forum have different login account, I can’t log on there.

Oh

Should I resubmit the relevant bug report? The previous reports were never carefully read by TrickZZter and taken seriously, only labeled as “not a bug”.

I mean, it could just be the intent of the post. All of that (well written out, not to diminish the effort) to say the autoloader in general is not modelled 100% correctly? I imagine the appropriate response would be “welcome to war thunder”.

Also need to take into consideration those who enjoy Abrams and Leopards were just handed a nerf via a turrent basket impacting their horizontal drive despite many reports saying it doesn’t. So when the topic of internal modeling comes up, at least from NATO mains, asking for their opinion on this will probably be “So when is Gaijin going to include the T-series autoloader as part of their horizontal drive since the carousel turns with the turret?” Gaijin not moving on this despite bug reports being filed could very much be that they are working on this series of tanks next.

You could but since they moved all the bug report managers under “Bug Manager 1/2” and not the usernames of the person, your report could still end up in front of them. But if I remember correctly, that specific individual was known for just specifically denying NATO vehicle bugs reports.

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