Um, Republic of China is a tech tree in War Thunder.
Ukraine is not.
Gaijin doesn’t even allow the ROC flag in the Chinese tech tree for political reasons, which is the same logic for Ukraine.
I can use different aircraft of the same family of aircraft, but not the same aircraft.
From a gameplay perspective, saying “they’re different variants of the same family” doesn’t change much. Minor variant differences don’t meaningfully affect how they play, so functionally it is still copy-paste.
Top tier or not, Nations have exported vehicles to other nations for years. Copy paste exists throughout the entire game in every tree.
Japan id currently in the spotlight taking a SU30sm and an F/A-18D under Malaysia. Ofc, Malaysia exists in real life and utilises both of these vehicles, yet they dont have enough aircraft to feild and entire tech tree. Japan after props also stuggled to have a fully fleshed tech tree (since they only owned Sabres, F104, F4, F15 and their own F2). Japan needs small nations for top tier aircraft so they can have some diversity like other bigger techtrees.
Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia are PERFECT for this task. Giving japan a big boost in diverse vehicles that otherwise wouldnt get added (F/A-18D for example, which was their only version they brought)
Copy paste may annoy the larger tech trees becuase they have enough vehicles to keep adding them, whereas small trees brought vehicles from these nations irl, or subtrees are built apon buying said vehicles.
@ALTA1R
The ROC flag isn’t there because the military flag is present.
It has nothing to do with politics.
Ah, the personalized definition that makes Leclerc copy-paste of M1A1.
Then people will deny it instead of admitting it’s a silly definition to use.
Lack of time and money. I’m gonna use the Chinese tree instead since that’s my case, but similar situation. I started play WT right around the time ZTZ96 was added. I’m still only around 10.3. Most of my time is spent studying at school, or doing research. I consider it lucky if I can play for half-a-hour a day. I have no money to buy my way to top tier either, all my money is spent on rent, bills, or tuition. The Chinese TT allows me to play both eastern and western vehicles: T-55/M60, Mig-21/F-5, F-16/Su-27, T-34/M4, M1(someday)/T-72 (based), Mirages, some Japanese tanks, etc. Bottom line, trees with a lot of Copy & Paste vehicles have the unintentional benefit of allowing players like me to enjoy many different vehicles without grinding out many different trees, which would have taken forever, and I’ll probably only be able to enjoy one side at this rate.
Russia, Germany, US losing a couple vehicles that are better performing to other ain’t gonna make it lose their identity. Their identity is entire TT full of vehicles with a specific design style. Minor TTs have this issue.
Nope, it’s only gonna get worse. Welcome to the real world. Countries realize it’s just cheaper to buy vehicles instead of developing an entire industry and making it inhouse. And money is king. There’s a finite amount of vehicles irl. Gaijin adds them faster than the world can make new ones. Someday, we’re gonna run out of indigenous vehicles to add and resort to copy and paste. It’s not an if, it’s a matter of when.
Personally, I draw the line at captured vehicles that didn’t serve a purpose by the capturing side. Vehicles that were captured, but then used in combat by the other side are fair game, such as the Japanese tanks in the Chinese TT. Or Vehicles captured but were used to advance their industry (I have no idea how to phrase this better), such as T-62 No 425 (?) also in the Chinese TT.
By everything it every used. If I wanted to play by what nations developed, I would’ve played WoT, WoWs, and WoWp.
jfc, the WT player base cannot be satisfied. Gaijin adds an indigenous vehicles and y’all still complaining. patience, it’s gonna take some time, but one step at a time. Would you rather not have it in-game? Gaijin already has the model, why not add in it? Obviously Gaijin has higher priorities than completely new Israeli vehicles, would you rather have nothing this update?
So I must be happy for getting an identical vehicle?
If they are lazy to make new vehicles models, they just could introduce the sholef v2, t55/tiran 5, or the bardelas with the fastest autoloader.
Or also the sabra mk 2 and mk 3.
Also I would rather have new ammunitions than a “new” same tank.
Also I remember the chinese community getting mad over another j11 until they got the j10c. So why I cant complain?
beggars can’t be choosers
And look what they’re getting. A J-10C gimped to who knows where
You are right, I will be happy with my 2 merkava mk1, 2 merkava mk2, 2 merkava 3 and 2 merkava mk4
Thats a bug matter, it happens to almost every new vehicle in any nation. Also they really beg for the j10c and at least they got it.
“If a vehicle was co-developed by several nations, such as the DF-105, SK-105, Eurofighter, or Tornado, it should go to the all nations that developed them.”
but in my eyes that is logical, because both countries worked on it
“Meaningful gameplay differences are good, but pure C&P is mostly not even with a visual change. If there is a difference that affects how an aircraft plays, it’s capabilities, or it’s BR, it can not be considered C&P. Vehicles like the Finnish F-18C, Mig-19S, Mig-23MLA, G.91 R/3, Belgian F-16s, Mig-21Bison, Strv 122s, several Chinese tanks based on the T-54/55/62, most Magachs, and quite a few more planes and tanks are all fine despite initially looking like C&P vehicles.”
yes, I get your point and I agree
“Copy/Paste is a large issue in lower tier sim, and I think it could be partially solved by not doing pure Nation v Nation MM, but rather vehicle v vehicle MM. This would mean you can’t have your West German M55 on the same side as your Tiger, or that the American BF-109 would be flying with German ones, and not against them.”
yeah, but this also applies at higher tiers, like with the M60 from China, but ground sim at high BR is basically dead anyway
“Copy/Paste is a large issue in lower tier sim, and I think it could be partially solved by not doing pure Nation v Nation MM, but rather vehicle v vehicle MM. This would mean you can’t have your West German M55 on the same side as your Tiger, or that the American BF-109 would be flying with German ones, and not against them.”
totally agree, this would be great
I think there’s been a bit of a misunderstanding of what I was trying to say.
I never meant that the F-2 is only a strike aircraft or that it wasn’t designed for BVR. I know it was intended to fight beyond visual range as well, and I’m not denying its air-to-air role at all. What I was trying to say is that, compared to the F-16, the F-2 was more optimized toward strike roles, especially maritime strike. From what I understand, the larger wing was mainly there to allow it to carry more ordnance and fuel and to better support heavier weapons, which makes sense given Japan’s operational needs.
That doesn’t mean the F-2 can’t dogfight or perform well in air combat, but its design priorities were different from those of a lightweight F-16. The larger wing does produce more lift and can allow higher angles of attack, similar in concept to aircraft like the Su-27. However, larger wings also require a stronger structure, which adds weight, and that extra weight affects things like sustained turn rate and energy retention. You also need larger control surfaces to really take advantage of the increased lift, which again adds complexity and mass.
So my point wasn’t that the F-2 is worse or that it’s just a strike jet. It’s still very much a fighter. I just see it as a multirole aircraft that leans more toward payload, range, strike capability, and modern sensors compared to the baseline F-16, while giving up some of the lightweight agility that makes the F-16 such a strong pure dogfighter.
You can see it however you want but it’s just kind of a fact its a much better fighter than the f16 especially those in game, Hence why it is often referred to as an f16 on crack.
Yeah, that sucks, and that’s one of the reasons I don’t want it to happen anymore. But that’s also a big reason why I’m such a fan of prototypes, because I know that most prototypes are exclusive to that country.
Yeah, that’s what I meant. There’s no hate toward the F-2 it’s a Japanese aircraft. What I meant was more in comparison to aircraft like the Gripen, Su-30, F/A-18D, or MiG-29. Those aircraft could have introduced something new and different.
Instead, we could have gotten a newer and better version of the F-2 for War Thunder, but instead we just keep copy-pasting these planes into different tech trees.
? you can buy ukrain flag and yes ge but you als need it for russia and if a uikran tank is added you can make ussr flag in to ukrain flag
yea thats my point if htey do this ad some point they can just say were have ever vercel you want
Yeah, I know there are better versions of the F-2, and the F-15 is fine, but those aren’t Japanese-designed fighters. Japan already has access to almost every top-tier aircraft, except things like the Eurofighter and Rafale (and the F-14 if you count that). Isn’t that kind of unfair to other countries?
Bro, even the Leo 2, Hungary for Italy, and the Dutch vehicles for France — those are clear copy-paste examples. And now you can’t really change that anymore because they’re already in the new update.
Japan was good with only thailand. Malasya was just unecessary copy paste.
If you only say Japan aircraft, they will end up only F-15s, F-16s, and F-2 (wich these 2 last are almost the same). Japanese mains gonna get insane with only these vehicles.
The leopard 2A7HU costs as much to produce for Gaijin as the M10 Booker does.
Both are unique vehicles that require research and modeler commissioning whether you acknowledge those facts or not.
@gfdsa_killer
There are 0, zero, copy-paste vehicles in Malaysia.
Yes, exactly! I just find it funny how most people play those copy-paste planes and act like, “Nooo, I have to play the versions from my country?” Only this one