Not good at all, but at least you had a couple top-tier.
I’ve played ground battles where my team had ZERO top-tier vehicles.
Of course it was a curb-stomp…
So matching me against IS3’s when I am in a 5.7 Panther is what then? I cant pen them from behind at point blank range.
How about the Panthers reverse speed? You mean to tell me the HL230 (already overstressed for the Tiger 1) engine in a Tiger 2 @ 72 tons combat weight can reverse faster than a 45 ton Panther with more HP per ton using the same HL230? 72 vs 45 tons and the Tiger can back up 3x faster…yeah BS
They say they aren’t biased but all you have to do is look at the Ukraine war, Afghanistan and every war Russia has fought since WW2 and their tanks are pure jack in the box trash but in here, they tank repeated broadsides from high velocity AP rounds out of 88mms with little more than scratches.
Not possible if the Panther is your highest BR tank or tied to your highest BR tank. You can’t face greater than 1.0 difference in either direction for BR and the IS-3 is 7.3.
This is also just blatantly false. You can penetrate them from the side and rear with ease and I believe you can even pen the IS-3 frontally with the drivers weakspot.
You know exactly nothing about history or the way these tanks work. Yes, the Panther was restricted to this reverse speed in real life. Believe it or not, reverse speed is a function of the TRANSMISSION, not the engine…
You just can’t aim.
@ParanoidDreamszs
In War Thunder, Soviet tanks pop off far more than they do in real life.
Because I can aim for weakspots far easier than real life tankers can.
Also, IS-3 is 7.3, that’s outside Panther’s range.
MM is also huge problem. There should be a balance between the teams. In some games for example 9.3 - 10.3 is it very unbalanced. i got very often only 1 or 0 players with 10.3 is my team and the enemy team is full of the 10.3 premium Lineup of the russians. they loose very often because of 1 spawn leavers, but if u fight with a EFV against a T-80UD, u cant kill him if he has only 1 braincell. If there is a small city map and no chance to flank, game over.
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It’s the gears/transmission. Panther tanks did actually have poor reverse speeds.
British tanks like Cromwells and Comets which have way higher hp/ton than Panthers also only reverse at around 3 km/h. It has very little to do with the engine itself, it’s just the maximum speed you can get with the reverse gear ratio and the engine running at maximum RPM. It’s a transmission limit. The tank moves according to the sprocket’s RPM, and the sprocket’s RPM is determined by the gear ratios in the drive train and engine RPM.
When designing a standard tank transmission with a single reverse gear, designers are limited to making that gear lower speed on account of the tank being able to reverse even when in a ditch or poor terrain. When you add more reverse gears, the very first reverse gear can still be this low speed gear for whenever necessary, and the rest can be higher speed.
The Panther has only 1 reverse gear. The Tiger and Tiger IIs have 4 reverse gears.
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Oh I know but when I am nonstop matched with them I dont have a whole lot of options.
I keep getting into 1 or more ranks higher than me. My average I think is a 6.3ish but thats 3 Panthers basically. Would say 3 out 4 matches are against ranks where best I can do it try to shoot their barrels.
Rafale to 15.0
EFT/Su-30SM to 14.7
F-15E/Mirages to 14.3
F-15C/J, and other too good 13.7s to 14.0 because they are criminal at 13.7. Why should I be facing F-15s with Aim-120s in a 12.7?
For wider and more thourough decompression, it’s genuinely not that hard to spread the BRs out to 16.0 by just decompressing 12.7 and up.
Don’t forget to increase the J-8F, JA37DI, M2KC, F-4F ICE
To start things off, I will be proposing 2 aircraft loadout changes ( those being that the F-14A should get Aim-9Ls, and the F-14B should get Aim-9Ms), and a BR suggestion for an R-27R/R-73 equipped Mig-29. The F-14A should get Aim-9Ls, and the F-14B should get Aim-9Ms. I will also include a handful of planes from the dev server, and apologies if I forget or misplace an aircraft, feel free to correct me.
Rafale to 16.0, because it is by far the best plane in the game, and without nerfs to its flight performance, loadout, or HMS it must be a higher BR than everything else.
15.7 - Next from top
Eurofighters, Su-30SM. These two planes are the next best in the game, and they are a step above something like the F-15E.
15.3 - The next best planes that are distinctly worse than 15.3s
F-15E/I, F-15 Golden Eagle - F-15s should be there because of their distinct advantages over the lower BR counterparts, while also not being good enough for a higher BR.
Mirage 2K 5-Fs - Because of the MICA and solid flight performance.
15.0 - The best of the current 13.7s
F-15C/F-15J - These could be a side grade to the F-15E, but they should be a lower BR based on the GEs BR
J-11B - This is the second best Flanker, and I’m not sure why it’s still at 13.7 in game. It has better missiles and better flight performance than the Su-27SM, and a higher missile count than the J-10A, and F-16s
The 14.0 F-18s, excluding the Finnish non MLU one - They have 10 Aim-120s and acceptable flight performance. I don’t think they would be good enough for a BR higher than this.
F-16I Sufa - I am unsure if this should be 15.0, or 14.7, but I’m leaning towards 15.0 because of the increased engine power over the F-16Cs. Please correct me if I am wrong.
14.7 - The bulk of current 13.7s
Finnish F-18C - The worst F-18C, and it deserves a lower BR.
F-16AM, OCU, Barak II - These are all better than the planes below the, but they will be outclassed any higher.
F-2A (?) - Great flight performance, radar, as well as a decent loadout, but its lack of HMS will keep it from going any higher
Gripen Cs (excluding the South African one) - Excellent flight performance, incredible CM count, but they are lacking a larger missile loadout.
J-10A - Worse than F-15C/J and J-11B.
Su-27SM - Worse J-11B, and it’s weak ARH missiles will keep it from going any higher.
14.3 - The best 13.3s and worst 13.7s
Su-34 - It’s a heavier Su-27 with a better loadout, but it’s lack of HMS and flight performance keep it from going higher.
JAS39C (South Africa) - R-Darters are worse than Aim-120s, so this plane deserves a lower BR.
Su-30MK2 - It’s a worse Su-27SM, but it is better than planes like the J-11A and 120 carrying F-16s
JF-17 (?) - This could either be 14.0 or 14.3, but I do find it to be a very competitive plane despite its flaws, so it will go here.
F-16D - This is inbetween the other F-16Cs and F-16A ADF and its counterparts.
14.0 - The rest of the 13.3s
J-11A - Worse than the Su-34 and Su-30MK2, but it will be too powerful any lower
F-16A ADF/F-16A MLU - Worse than the F-16D, but better than the planes below it.
Mig-29SMT - A weak airframe, and weak loadout puts this here, below planes like the JF-17 or Su-34, but better than the gen 3 ARH carriers
13.7 - The best of the current 13.0s
F-15A/J/Baz - Good Radar/RWR, and flight performance.
F-2A ADTW - Good Radar/RWR, and flight performance as well as access to IRCCM puts this on par with the F-15s and Flankers.
J11/Su-27 - Great SARH missiels, great IRCCM missiles, but the poor RWR and lack of ARH keep them from being higher.
Su-33 - Better RWR, more missiles, but worse flight performance than the other Flankers.
J-8F - Gen 3 ARH carrier with IRCCM missiles, with good flight performance and HMS.
Tornado F.3 Late - Gen 3 ARH carrier with IRCCM missiles, and a great CM count and decent loadout.
F-4F KWS - Gen 3 ARH carrier with IRCCM missiles. I don’t see how the other ARH carriers along side this are any better or worse, so they will all be the same BR.
13.3 - Most of the current 13.0s
Kfir C.10 - Worse than the other ARH carriers because of a low missile count, and no IRCCM.
JA37DI - No IRCCM and a poor RWR put this below the 13.7 Gen 3s.
F-5TH - Poor loadout.
F-14B - With Aim-9Ms this plane will become more competitive, but distinctly worse than the F-15As.
F-14 IRAF - It has Fakours. This could stay 13.0, but I have had issues with Fakours going pitbull too late to properly react, so it will stay here until they become more consistent.
AV-8B Plus - These are better than the Sea harrier FA2, and deserve a higher BR
JAS39C - High CM count, great flight performance, but a lack of a good SARH missile keeps this from going higher.
F-16A (Belgium) - Better than the Squadron F-16 below it.
Mig-29G - Similar situation as the Gripen and F-16, but it loses flight performance/RWR to gain 2 very good SARH missiles.
Mirage 4000 - 8 Magic 2s + a high CM count would put this at least on par with other similar planes
13.0 - Worst of the current 13.0s, and the best 12.7s
Sea Harrier FA 2 - Worst 13.0, and it would be 12.7 if that didn’t mean it would face 11.7s.
F-16A OCU - Worse than the F-16A above it, this plane should go here.
Mig-29 (R-73+R-27R) Worse than the Mig-29G, but they would be better than the current 12.7 Mig-29s.
For aircraft below here:
F-14A gains 9Ls and stays at 12.7
The F-18s at 12.7 may move up to 13.0, but I can not be certain, because I have not played them. They may also need a loadout buff to do so.
Please forgive any mistakes/missed planes, and feel free to correct me, or suggest changes.
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I decided to go through all planes from 12.7-14.3 and decompress to 16.0, and I did not forget about them.
No, J10A Is Better than both of those and an arguable sidegrade to the J11B
J11B Is also not better than Su27SM, but comparable and a sidegrade at best
I was just basing that off of my experience playing the J-10 and facing it and the F-15, but I can see how it could go up.
What makes it a side grade rather than an upgrade?
The only upgrades the J11B has over the 27SM are the MAW and a better radar
The flight performance Is practically the same and the 27SM has more and arguably better missiles
Match making is a farce - we all know that! if you aren’t playing Russian you are guaranteed to mainly get up tiers
I know it, we know it, they know it… but no one changes a thing - as per usual! There’s NO excuse for cruddy match making unless its deliberate to give or take advantage.!"!
This is simply wrong. I play all but a few nations. Matchmaker has never had anything to do with nation.
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Just asking anyone else think it’s ridiculous VT-4 is 12.3? It’s practically ZTZ96A with 9km more reverse speed and a top round. For 2.0BR.
oh really!! Play china 6.0 or USA and see how you get on!!