Russia’s best penning round doesn’t even have as much pen as those rounds allegedly do?
Brimstones are too unbalanced, and no nation has analogues at the moment.
Still waiting for my T80 Black Eagle, T90M with APS, LIGHT TANKS FOR TOPTIER (which NATO nations seem to have NO PROBLEM getting!)
The 2S38 is literally a prototype too — it exists in only one or two units, and even those aren’t equipped the way it appears in War Thunder. Yet it’s already in the game, fully functional, with all its advanced systems modeled and performing far above anything comparable at its BR.
Meanwhile, vehicles like the Puma — which do exist in active service and have documented programmable airburst ammunition (ABM) — are still missing that feature. Why? Because Gaijin waits until a Russian equivalent exists before implementing it, “for balance reasons.”
So clearly, the “we can’t add it because it’s just a prototype” or “we don’t have documentation” excuse doesn’t apply evenly. When it’s Russian tech, prototypes are added right away — but when it’s NATO tech, it suddenly becomes a question of “balance” or “lack of data.”
The AGM-114L Hellfire and Spike-ER2 are both fire-and-forget, millimetre-wave or dual-mode guided missiles with similar range and precision.
The JAGM (Joint Air-to-Ground Missile) is literally the U.S. successor to the Hellfire family and has almost the same capability set as Brimstone.
So claiming “no nation has analogues” isn’t accurate — they just haven’t been added yet for “balance reasons.”
If Brimstone is considered “too unbalanced,” then logically LMUR and Vikhr should have been limited as wel but those went in immediately.
What’s wrong with R-77-1s?
APFSDS that negates any armour advantage that Russian tanks have will be bad, because do you want an 11.7 T-80BVM?
This isn’t even an excuse considering the amount of both armed and unarmed prototype planes and tanks in every tree.
Full power Brimestones would be very unbalanced.
So mica EM doesn’t exist…
Newsflash, WT had unhistorical things implemented into the game for years now.
Most NATO nations don’t have a light tank from 11.7 to 12.7, so I’d say its a global issue rather than a USSR-only issue. One of the highest light tanks is the VT-5, which isn’t NATO. This isn’t a Western vs Eastern issue, this is just an issue altogether.
What’s wrong with the R-77-1? The AIM-120B, AIM-120C5, and MICA are from around 1996, while the R-77-1 entered service in 2015, that’s nearly a 20-year gap in development.
So comparing them directly makes no sense they’re not from the same generation.
That argument doesn’t make sense — balancing shouldn’t mean artificially holding back other nations’ tech just to protect one vehicle’s BR.
If new APFSDS rounds like DM73 or M829A4 make older tanks easier to penetrate, that’s a natural part of progression, the same way Russia got 3BM60, Relikt ERA, and LMUR without worrying about balance for NATO.
If the T-80BVM can’t handle those rounds at 12.7, then it should move down, that’s how BR balancing is supposed to work.
You don’t nerf or delay realistic ammunition just to keep one nation’s lineup comfortable.
In short: balance should adjust the BR, not the technology.
Exactly, just like LMUR, Vikhr, or even the KH-38MT, those are all incredibly strong, high-precision missiles with huge range and lethality, yet somehow they’re not a problem because they belong to the “right” nation.
When Russia gets overperforming or prototype weapons, it’s called “content” or “flavor.”
When the other Nations finally asks for something equivalent — like Brimstone or AGM-114L suddenly it’s “unbalanced.”
That’s not balance, that’s a double standard. Either powerful modern weapons are fine for everyone, or they shouldn’t be in the game at all — you can’t justify one side’s advantage by calling the other’s “too strong.”
Almost everything 11.3
Oh you’re One of those that thinks date of introduction is somehow a relevant factor
Funny how you don’t mention that the MICA EM Is Better than the R77-1 despite being 20 years older
(Actually its the best missile in the game)
100% agree
it was not the question
It doesn’t matter
What differences does It make when R-77-1 was introduced when it’s still worse than a missile 20 years older than it?
Date of introduction means nothing to balance. They are also not even the best missile in WT.
Yes, and I’m saying moving Russian tanks down will make for worse gameplay because now they either club lower BR tanks, or have any advantage negated by higher BR ones.
Full power Brimestones are nowhere even close to any of those.
That wasn’t the point I only mentioned the R-77-1 to show that on the Russian side, it’s never a problem to introduce new or modern tech when needed.
But for every other nation, the same kind of additions are blocked with excuses like “balance reasons” or “lack of data.”
That’s exactly the point, Brimstone would simply be the next logical step in weapon progression.
But that step isn’t being taken, because Russia doesn’t have an equivalent yet.
Whenever Russia gets something new like LMUR, Vikhr, or KH-38MT it’s added immediately, even without counterparts.
But when a other Nation is supposed to move forward with its own next-gen system, suddenly it’s "too unbalanced” or “needs more testing.”
So it’s not about balance, it’s about keeping both sides artificially equal, even if that means holding back Western tech until Russia catches up.
We are in for a long wait then !!!
Yo, i just lost a game where my team was obliterated to oblivion in 2 minutes in AIR RB, and bored about this situation i spend 2 minutes looking at the stadistics
My team : 11.7 (5) 12.0 (3) 12.3 (3) 12.7 (2)
Their team : 11.7 (0) 12.0 (5) 12.3 (4) 12.7 (4)
Is this a joke? Because is not funny, maybe is some halloween event? This is pathetic at some next level. Honestly i know already balance is nonexist but at least i though both teams has the same BR.
Not good at all, but at least you had a couple top-tier.
I’ve played ground battles where my team had ZERO top-tier vehicles.
Of course it was a curb-stomp…
So matching me against IS3’s when I am in a 5.7 Panther is what then? I cant pen them from behind at point blank range.
How about the Panthers reverse speed? You mean to tell me the HL230 (already overstressed for the Tiger 1) engine in a Tiger 2 @ 72 tons combat weight can reverse faster than a 45 ton Panther with more HP per ton using the same HL230? 72 vs 45 tons and the Tiger can back up 3x faster…yeah BS
They say they aren’t biased but all you have to do is look at the Ukraine war, Afghanistan and every war Russia has fought since WW2 and their tanks are pure jack in the box trash but in here, they tank repeated broadsides from high velocity AP rounds out of 88mms with little more than scratches.
Not possible if the Panther is your highest BR tank or tied to your highest BR tank. You can’t face greater than 1.0 difference in either direction for BR and the IS-3 is 7.3.
This is also just blatantly false. You can penetrate them from the side and rear with ease and I believe you can even pen the IS-3 frontally with the drivers weakspot.
You know exactly nothing about history or the way these tanks work. Yes, the Panther was restricted to this reverse speed in real life. Believe it or not, reverse speed is a function of the TRANSMISSION, not the engine…
You just can’t aim.
