[Discussion] Balance, Bias, Matchmaking and Battle Ratings

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What’s wrong with the R-77-1? The AIM-120B, AIM-120C5, and MICA are from around 1996, while the R-77-1 entered service in 2015, that’s nearly a 20-year gap in development.

So comparing them directly makes no sense they’re not from the same generation.

That argument doesn’t make sense — balancing shouldn’t mean artificially holding back other nations’ tech just to protect one vehicle’s BR.

If new APFSDS rounds like DM73 or M829A4 make older tanks easier to penetrate, that’s a natural part of progression, the same way Russia got 3BM60, Relikt ERA, and LMUR without worrying about balance for NATO.

If the T-80BVM can’t handle those rounds at 12.7, then it should move down, that’s how BR balancing is supposed to work.
You don’t nerf or delay realistic ammunition just to keep one nation’s lineup comfortable.

In short: balance should adjust the BR, not the technology.

Exactly, just like LMUR, Vikhr, or even the KH-38MT, those are all incredibly strong, high-precision missiles with huge range and lethality, yet somehow they’re not a problem because they belong to the “right” nation.

When Russia gets overperforming or prototype weapons, it’s called “content” or “flavor.”
When the other Nations finally asks for something equivalent — like Brimstone or AGM-114L suddenly it’s “unbalanced.”

That’s not balance, that’s a double standard. Either powerful modern weapons are fine for everyone, or they shouldn’t be in the game at all — you can’t justify one side’s advantage by calling the other’s “too strong.”

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1430

Almost everything 11.3

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Oh you’re One of those that thinks date of introduction is somehow a relevant factor

Funny how you don’t mention that the MICA EM Is Better than the R77-1 despite being 20 years older
(Actually its the best missile in the game)

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1432

100% agree

it was not the question

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It doesn’t matter
What differences does It make when R-77-1 was introduced when it’s still worse than a missile 20 years older than it?

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Date of introduction means nothing to balance. They are also not even the best missile in WT.

Yes, and I’m saying moving Russian tanks down will make for worse gameplay because now they either club lower BR tanks, or have any advantage negated by higher BR ones.

Full power Brimestones are nowhere even close to any of those.

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That wasn’t the point I only mentioned the R-77-1 to show that on the Russian side, it’s never a problem to introduce new or modern tech when needed.
But for every other nation, the same kind of additions are blocked with excuses like “balance reasons” or “lack of data.”

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That’s exactly the point, Brimstone would simply be the next logical step in weapon progression.
But that step isn’t being taken, because Russia doesn’t have an equivalent yet.

Whenever Russia gets something new like LMUR, Vikhr, or KH-38MT it’s added immediately, even without counterparts.
But when a other Nation is supposed to move forward with its own next-gen system, suddenly it’s "too unbalanced” or “needs more testing.”

So it’s not about balance, it’s about keeping both sides artificially equal, even if that means holding back Western tech until Russia catches up.

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1437

We are in for a long wait then !!!

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Yo, i just lost a game where my team was obliterated to oblivion in 2 minutes in AIR RB, and bored about this situation i spend 2 minutes looking at the stadistics

My team : 11.7 (5) 12.0 (3) 12.3 (3) 12.7 (2)
Their team : 11.7 (0) 12.0 (5) 12.3 (4) 12.7 (4)

Is this a joke? Because is not funny, maybe is some halloween event? This is pathetic at some next level. Honestly i know already balance is nonexist but at least i though both teams has the same BR.

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Not good at all, but at least you had a couple top-tier.

I’ve played ground battles where my team had ZERO top-tier vehicles.
Of course it was a curb-stomp…

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So matching me against IS3’s when I am in a 5.7 Panther is what then? I cant pen them from behind at point blank range.
How about the Panthers reverse speed? You mean to tell me the HL230 (already overstressed for the Tiger 1) engine in a Tiger 2 @ 72 tons combat weight can reverse faster than a 45 ton Panther with more HP per ton using the same HL230? 72 vs 45 tons and the Tiger can back up 3x faster…yeah BS

They say they aren’t biased but all you have to do is look at the Ukraine war, Afghanistan and every war Russia has fought since WW2 and their tanks are pure jack in the box trash but in here, they tank repeated broadsides from high velocity AP rounds out of 88mms with little more than scratches.

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Not possible if the Panther is your highest BR tank or tied to your highest BR tank. You can’t face greater than 1.0 difference in either direction for BR and the IS-3 is 7.3.

This is also just blatantly false. You can penetrate them from the side and rear with ease and I believe you can even pen the IS-3 frontally with the drivers weakspot.

You know exactly nothing about history or the way these tanks work. Yes, the Panther was restricted to this reverse speed in real life. Believe it or not, reverse speed is a function of the TRANSMISSION, not the engine…

You just can’t aim.

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@ParanoidDreamszs
In War Thunder, Soviet tanks pop off far more than they do in real life.
Because I can aim for weakspots far easier than real life tankers can.

Also, IS-3 is 7.3, that’s outside Panther’s range.

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MM is also huge problem. There should be a balance between the teams. In some games for example 9.3 - 10.3 is it very unbalanced. i got very often only 1 or 0 players with 10.3 is my team and the enemy team is full of the 10.3 premium Lineup of the russians. they loose very often because of 1 spawn leavers, but if u fight with a EFV against a T-80UD, u cant kill him if he has only 1 braincell. If there is a small city map and no chance to flank, game over.

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1444

It’s the gears/transmission. Panther tanks did actually have poor reverse speeds.

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British tanks like Cromwells and Comets which have way higher hp/ton than Panthers also only reverse at around 3 km/h. It has very little to do with the engine itself, it’s just the maximum speed you can get with the reverse gear ratio and the engine running at maximum RPM. It’s a transmission limit. The tank moves according to the sprocket’s RPM, and the sprocket’s RPM is determined by the gear ratios in the drive train and engine RPM.

When designing a standard tank transmission with a single reverse gear, designers are limited to making that gear lower speed on account of the tank being able to reverse even when in a ditch or poor terrain. When you add more reverse gears, the very first reverse gear can still be this low speed gear for whenever necessary, and the rest can be higher speed.

The Panther has only 1 reverse gear. The Tiger and Tiger IIs have 4 reverse gears.

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Oh I know but when I am nonstop matched with them I dont have a whole lot of options.

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I keep getting into 1 or more ranks higher than me. My average I think is a 6.3ish but thats 3 Panthers basically. Would say 3 out 4 matches are against ranks where best I can do it try to shoot their barrels.

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Rafale to 15.0
EFT/Su-30SM to 14.7
F-15E/Mirages to 14.3
F-15C/J, and other too good 13.7s to 14.0 because they are criminal at 13.7. Why should I be facing F-15s with Aim-120s in a 12.7?

For wider and more thourough decompression, it’s genuinely not that hard to spread the BRs out to 16.0 by just decompressing 12.7 and up.