Is he wrong though? Being unable to employ your longer range missiles did definitely help the MiGs
Mate, don’t act like the MiG 29 is the best aircraft ever in game. It’s severely nerfed and does not fly like it should. I agree the ERs are very good, but considering the fact that they are constantly fighting AIM 120s, THE BEST MISSILES IN GAME, I think the ERs are fine.
I do agree that the first variant of the MiG 29 should not have ERs and b’é given R73s, like it’s supposed to. R-60Ms at 12.7 is a joke.
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Oh I’m sure the Americans never used their long range missiles. Because they totally followed orders and never went against the rules of war. As long as you ignore bombing Cambodia, Laos, chemical warfare, My Lai and several other cases, targeting civilians and infrastructure, plus many more.
Case in point, MiG 21s excelled at interception and hit and run tactics. The F4s were good at two things: sniping from far away and bombing civilians while acting like they actually went after the VC.
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And how long was the MiG 29 using R-27ERs before the 120s were added to the game?
You have a short memory friend.
They should add R-73s and remove the R-27ERs but then it’s BR would need to go down and it would face MiG 23s and F-4s.
Yes, now it is rightfully outclassed as it should be.
MiG-29 was when they added to R-27ERs?
F-16As wasn’t even good at that time because of flight models
You should look at the operations they set up when the F-4s masqueraded as F-105s and the MiGs came to face them and took heavy losses.
We were talking about air to air ROE and not potential war crimes committed by both sides. You would be hard pressed to find a modern conflict that both sides haven’t committed war crimes.
Oh because Gaijin cares about balance. They will never move it down, they’ll keep it at 12.7 because why not. Also, the MiG 29 already fights MiG 23s and Phantoms, so I don’t see your point. Are you just that petty that you want to bully an aircraft?
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This is a waste of both our energies you think Russia is hard done by and you are wrong but that’s fine.
Also why you are still talking about real life aircrafts, which doesn’t relevant to video game?
Okay, so because the F4s swapped radars, that means they’re the best around? Weird how when Vietnam knowingly fought F4s, they took them down.
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I recognise that Russia has great aircraft, but that is because in real life they have had great aircraft throughout the Cold War. Not because “Russian bias” cope.
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You need to read some books, Vietnam did remarkably well against the USAAF and the USN but they at no point were winning the air war.
Some victories ambushes and well coordinated attacks but overall the US won the battle in the air while the soldiers lost the battle on the ground.
Nowadays, I don’t think Russia has great aircraft. Then again, doctrine is different. Russians treat their planes like flying artillery, Americans focus on air superiority.
America was losing both, to be fair. American pilots were being taken out of the sky through ambushes and anti-aircraft guns. On the ground, America could never hold an objective. Sure we see cool videos of napalm, but when the Vietnamese got into the skies, they did quite well. Just sucks that Vietnam never had much aircraft compared to the US.
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Yes Russia did produce great aircraft. They are modelled with none of their limitations their Radars work far better than they did. The missile work far better than they did R-60 and R-60M have a horrendous record when they have been employed.
But Western aircraft are missing features and technology that would nullify Soviet aircraft. Did you know Foxhunter on Tornado could completely jam/disable the Radar on a MiG 29 and Su-27…
There is compromise made for gameplay and Russia have never had to compromise in this game.
Have you played this game? R-60s and R-60Ms are terrible. And the fact that AIM 9Ls show up before the R-60Ms (A-10 gets AIM 9Ls at 10.3, while Su-25 gets them at 10.7) is a joke.
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And prior to that no other nation had front aspect IR missiles the MiG 23 with R60M was the first while British Phantoms were using rear aspect Aim9Gs
From my experience 9Ls and R-60s are on par with each other.
Oh, and I’m well aware that Britain gets gimped in the sky. Eurofighter has a worse radar, Brimstones get some weird laser tracker while America and Russia get IR slingers from 30km away, Tornadoes get… yeah. I view it as less of a Russian bias, and more of a Big Three bias. Russia and America unfairly dominates the skies and ground (to an extent), while minor nations get severely nerfed, like Britain’s Tornado, Eurofighter, Grippen, etc.
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9Ls are better in my experience. They work a lot better from behind, unlike the R-60Ms
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