You forget that Russia has been the meta many times in the top tier games over the past decade.
MiG-17 was good until 2018 because We had top speed meta and it was fastest jet on the deck entire the game.
MiG-19PT was pretty cracked when it comes and sent to 10.3BR after F-4C/MiG-21F-13 comes.
MiG-21SMT was also insane because R-60s worked as R-60M and had ways longer ranges.
MiG-21bis was few miles better than F-4s because we didn’t have DF sparrows and performance was also good.
MiG-23MLD was literally best top tier jets until F-14A comes and was also decent even after Danger Zone updates.
MiG-29A was insane because of old flight models and R-27ERs.
Flankers wasn’t meta because of Gripens and BOLs but, still ways better than F-15As.
So because it is historically accurate, it’s a bias issue? Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Americans have always been terrible at fighting Russians.
MiG 15 dominated in Korea
MiG 17 was a great zoomer
MiG 19 was just a better MiG 17
MiG 21s harassed Americans all over Vietnam
The only time American jets have ever defeated Russian jets was in the Middle East, but what do you expect when you have a bunch of farmers in MiG 19s and early 21s fighting against F-15s spamming AIM 120s from 50+km away?
Also, are you sure that the MiG 23 was the best? All I see on YouTube from that time is how the Phantoms are the best. Then again, it could just be the algorithm being the way it is.
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That has not always been historically accurate, and it shouldn’t be since it is a video game.
MiG-15/MiG-15bis was an excellent dogfighter in the game, but the F-2 Sabre was very fearsome. And the balance in the top tier disappeared the moment the CL-13A Mk.5 came into the game for Germany.
The MiG-17 was good in the game because it was on the same team as CL-13, which was literally the best saber entire the game. IMO balancing was OK at that time because NATO side had Hunter F.1 and F-2 Sabre.
*few miles better.
It was king of dogfighting at that time and MiG-19s and T-2 was biggest reason why Gaijin changed matchmakers in top tier games.
Trueeee.
Enjoy the eat R-60s that works as all-aspect missiles when you are on G.91YS, F-4C, J35D etc.
We didn’t have CMs before We gets F-4E/EJ btw.
Pakistanis and USN VF-32 Swordsman would say hello.
Also, how does this relate to balance in jet games?
We don’t have situation J-7II vs F/A-18C Early just like irl anyway.
I used to play Phantom FGR.2 and J-7E, MiG-21bis-SAU back then and the MiG-23MLD was very annoying because of R-24s, decent flight models.
If the Mig-15 dominated in the Korean war why do several sources place the kill ratio between 4:1 and 5:1 in the Sabre’s favor? Estimates place lost Mig-15s at ~500 lost to aerial combat while placing Sabres at roughly 150 losses in aerial combat. This was done with a quick google search too. It’s still disputed to this day the actual ratio but the most agreed upon ratio is ~4:1.
And you also have to factor ROE, tactics, pilot training, etc, when making claims. The Mig-21s were lethal in Vietnam because of their tactics and American ROE. If the ROE wasn’t as restrictive as it was the Mig-21s probably wouldn’t have been as effective. This is all in reference to IRL stuff, not the game.
Wow, the US government lying about their KD ratio? Take a look at MiG valley and how the MiG 15 was dominating for most of the war until the Russians stopped sending in pilots to help the Koreans
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This is a little bit of cope.
15 was great and was balanced with the F-86 in game
17 was pretty mid
19 was great and crapped on the F100
21s were also great and crapped on the F-4C the later versions the BIS was a monster until Gaijin added SARHM and nerfed the clearly overperforming FMs
23 R-24R and T Dominated all Phantoms for a long time right until the F-14 was added
29 dominated everything with the R-27ER nothing could live with it
Russia have never been in a position that their top airframe cannot compete. You want to know what pain is try flying a Tornado against a MiG 29
Ah yes, the classic, “if we weren’t restricted” complaints, because not bombing Cambodia and Laos while not being allowed to commit My Lais was so restrictive.
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Is he wrong though? Being unable to employ your longer range missiles did definitely help the MiGs
Mate, don’t act like the MiG 29 is the best aircraft ever in game. It’s severely nerfed and does not fly like it should. I agree the ERs are very good, but considering the fact that they are constantly fighting AIM 120s, THE BEST MISSILES IN GAME, I think the ERs are fine.
I do agree that the first variant of the MiG 29 should not have ERs and b’é given R73s, like it’s supposed to. R-60Ms at 12.7 is a joke.
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Oh I’m sure the Americans never used their long range missiles. Because they totally followed orders and never went against the rules of war. As long as you ignore bombing Cambodia, Laos, chemical warfare, My Lai and several other cases, targeting civilians and infrastructure, plus many more.
Case in point, MiG 21s excelled at interception and hit and run tactics. The F4s were good at two things: sniping from far away and bombing civilians while acting like they actually went after the VC.
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And how long was the MiG 29 using R-27ERs before the 120s were added to the game?
You have a short memory friend.
They should add R-73s and remove the R-27ERs but then it’s BR would need to go down and it would face MiG 23s and F-4s.
Yes, now it is rightfully outclassed as it should be.
MiG-29 was when they added to R-27ERs?
F-16As wasn’t even good at that time because of flight models
You should look at the operations they set up when the F-4s masqueraded as F-105s and the MiGs came to face them and took heavy losses.
We were talking about air to air ROE and not potential war crimes committed by both sides. You would be hard pressed to find a modern conflict that both sides haven’t committed war crimes.
Oh because Gaijin cares about balance. They will never move it down, they’ll keep it at 12.7 because why not. Also, the MiG 29 already fights MiG 23s and Phantoms, so I don’t see your point. Are you just that petty that you want to bully an aircraft?
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This is a waste of both our energies you think Russia is hard done by and you are wrong but that’s fine.
Also why you are still talking about real life aircrafts, which doesn’t relevant to video game?
Okay, so because the F4s swapped radars, that means they’re the best around? Weird how when Vietnam knowingly fought F4s, they took them down.
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I recognise that Russia has great aircraft, but that is because in real life they have had great aircraft throughout the Cold War. Not because “Russian bias” cope.
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You need to read some books, Vietnam did remarkably well against the USAAF and the USN but they at no point were winning the air war.
Some victories ambushes and well coordinated attacks but overall the US won the battle in the air while the soldiers lost the battle on the ground.
