Derby is a fox3… uptier problem is the problem of br compression, what u want i br decompression… not fox3 for ppl at 11.7
My proposed list of all F-104 BRs and why I think they should be there. Feedback is welcome.
9.3 - F-104A (US, CN), the base F-104 with 2 Aim-9Bs
9.7 - F-104C (US), it has 2 more Aim-9Bs and it can carry napalm too.
10.0 - F-104G (CN), 4 Aim-9Js, no CMs
10.3 - F-104J (JP), 6 Aim-9Js, no CMs
10.3 - F-104G (ITA), it only has 2 Aim-9Js making it worse than the 10.7s, but it also has CMs
10.7 - F-104G (GER, FR), 4 Aim-9JS and CMs, worse than the F-104S, but better than the rest.
11.0 - F-104S (ITA), it has a more powerful engine and 6 total missiles.
11.3 - F-104S ASA (ITA), It is equivalent to the J-8B, and I can’t see it being OP at this BR. 9Ls are found on other planes here, and so are Aspides.
i know its fox 3 but at the same time its barely works as one.
or atleast from my time playing with it
I have the cf10 but dont play that tree due it being too booring for me for now…
As for my noob experience i think the best way to use them is as all aspect “ir” missile that ppl cant “flare”
Just a new b.r. ceiling for ARB.
Here’s three easy ones you can fix.
Vampire and A28B: currently at 7.7 (A28B) and 8.0 (Vampire), when the Vampire was created back in the early 1940s (before MiG 9, J21s, Yak-15, F-80, F-84, and more), and are slower than all other fighter jets, and are easily outclassed by every jet at 7.0-9.0. The Vampire and A28B should be put at 6.7-7.0 so it can actually fight instead of showing up when the match is already over.
Venom and Sea Venom: the Sea Venom is situated at a proper BR for its performance (7.7), therefore the Venom should be moved from 8.7 down to 7.7, because it is still slower than all their contemporaries from 8.7-9.7, and are constantly fighting missiles, afterburners, and jets that generally outclass it.
OTOMATIC: for the love of all that is holy, the OTOMATIC should not be 11.3, the Strela is somehow superior to the OTOMATIC. Newsflash, OTOMATIC was barely relevant before the introduction of AGM spam from 30km away. How do you expect it to keep up when jets absolutely refuse to come within five kilometres of the battlefield to begin with. Oh, you want it to act like a light tank? You mean with next to zero mags, when year after year, people put in the bug report that the OTOMATIC has more than three magazines for the APFSDS? The OTOMATIC would do far better at 10.7, but I guess that would get in the way of the copy-paste stuff that no one asked for. We wanted balance, not a “major update” that was 90% Copy-Paste.
TLDR: Vampire and A28B (6.7-7.0), Venom and Sea Venom (7.7), OTOMATIC (10.7)
TBH Kfir should get nerf for 13.3 considering how OP it is, and u think it can be lowered to 12.7, DI Viggens should be in 12.3 :)
Kfir has 2 radar missiles, total, at 13.0. It’s not OP.
hey nice men at gaijin, i see the shenyang f-5 is struggling a lot on 9.3 i think you guys definetely should move it down 9.0 atleast to make more money from it, because they youtubers and streamers flying it. while its at a competitive br
Kfir has 4 derbys and HMD
start selling it again nice guys
HMD! (this does not warrant a higher BR)
as far as the missiles, most ppl use 2/2x IR/Radar and even if you use 4 derbies, these are still the worst ARH missiles and you only get 4. It can’t go higher.
Derbies are not the worst, you use them for flanking. You do realise that there are other ways to play the game besides going into orbit and spamming AIM 120s like a noob, right?
So name a lesser ARH missile? (We are not talking about the AIM-54 here) The only thing that comes close is the base R-77 which is still superior afaik. I didn’t mention BVR at all or any tactic so I’d appreciate it if you kept on topic
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All the vampires would be fine at 7.7 or 7.3. Putting them at 6.7/7.0 would make them fairly OP, since they are better than other 7.0 planes.
There are much better 13.0 planes than the Kfir C.10, so it shouldn’t go up unless decompression is done.
UK one 7.3, rest 7.7
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Have you ever used the Vampire? The bloody thing is still slower than most jets at 7.0 anyways, and the only thing it can do is turn slightly faster. It is not good, and the fact you think it is tells me either you have never played it and are basing it solely off the old Wiki saying it is.
not false this is my personal br drops
Then just name it. I wouldn’t expect any answer but for F-4F KWS