[Discussion] Balance, Bias, Matchmaking and Battle Ratings

Next decompression WHEN

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Now we have BR separation when will mig27 get br reduction

чо с балансом?

Move every single high overload Fox-3 capable jet up to 14.0 (13.7 for F-14A IRIAF and F-14B) and increase the max BR to 14.3 with the current 14.0 aircraft.

Change up/downtier for matchmaking from +/- 1.0 to 0.3.

BR Improvements (above taken into account):

DISCLAIMER: These are all my opinion and are all the aircraft I could think of from the top of my head. Reply with improvements and post will be edited in due course. Of course, new top tier additions will go straight to the 14.3 (and beyond) pile, depending on how much more capable they are compared to current top tier aircraft. Don’t expect much to change unless major things technologically like stealth (in fighters), thrust vectoring and/or electronic warfare/jamming are modelled & implemented with said jet(s).

13.7

  • F-14A IRIAF
  • F-14B
  • AV-8B Plus
  • Su-27
  • Su-33
  • Mirage 2000C-S4/S5
  • Mirage 4000
  • MiG-29 (USSR; include R-73 and keep R-60M, for historical accuracy)
  • MiG-29G

14.0

  • JAS39C
  • F-16C/AM
  • F-15C/J/Baz (basically all F-15C-like without the SpaceX engines…)
  • Su-34
  • F-16C
  • MiG-29SMT (pending jet flight model and R-77 overall drag improvements…)

14.3

  • All Eurofighters
  • Rafale
  • F-15E/Ra’am
  • Su-27SM
  • F-16V (not an actual jet in War Thunder yet but it’s essentially the F-16C with a single F-15E engine (yes, really))

Shame this forum doesn’t have a downvote option.

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That severely compresses the game, as well as overtiering some planes. 0.3 is too small of a MM spread because it only allows for 2 BR steps in a match, which makes balancing a single bracket harder.

Also, you can’t use red text, it’s reserved for mods only.

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What do you disagree with?

I get that but how do you propose separating aircraft with vastly different capabilities and forcing the player to occasionally (read: very frequently) play within/against a group of aircraft that have more advanced weapons than their own (cough, F-16A and others like it)?

Your 0.3 spread isn’t needed at all, just push BRs up.

Why is SU27SM 14.3, even if the missile is fixed, it is still inferior in terms of radar performance, as N001 is just not a 14.3 radar, no where close to even the F16A radar.

F-16C/D Block 52 exists, it has the 229 engine ¯_(ツ)_/¯
(F-16I Sufa intensifies)

Gaijin - “we use statistics to balance our game”, also gaijin not using the correct statistics of kd and battle presence but sl and rp gain… Although that does put into question how they manage to balance premiums? Probably something stupid like using a flat multiplayer…

Although this does point out some issues with this like the panther daulphene (or however you speell it…) going up to 7.3? Shows what a panther can do in skilled hands but honestly they shouldn’t be lower than 6.0 but no higher than 6.7 (for the panther 2).

They normalize it.

Basically, SL/RP income before any modifiers and a bunch of other weird things since stuff doesn’t add up on service record.

If you look at your service record, you get what’s the normalized SL income.

Contrast:

This says I earned 16K SL in my spit Mk XVI

Looking at just a single battle, I earned 46K SL before victory bonus.

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With a second battle, I should have 77K SL before victory bonus

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77K SL over 2 battles, yet for 5 battles it is only counting 16K.

Why on gods green earth does the A-5C have the same battlerating as the far more capable and blatantly op J-7D?

AND WHY IS THE J-7D ALMOST A WHOLE BR UNDER THE WORSE J-7E???

The J-7D is 10.7 because of 2 sales back to back which got a lot of new players on it. It will likely go back to 11.0 in the next change.

And the J-7E is better than the J-7D by a pretty big margin, not sure why you think it’s worse.

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firstly, the a-5c deserves its fucking br so shut up about that. second, the j7d should never have been moved down from 11.0.

J7e could handidly work at 11.3, only reason it isnt is because no sarh/arh missiles so gaijin doesnt see the point.

It is 11.3 no?

Last i checked it was still 11.0? Although it may have been moved to 11.3 but i doubt it considering its been unchanged for years.

It has now, just checked 11.3, works exactly the same way except for the fact that there are more premium spams. It literally doesn’t matter cause the only reason people die to it is when they don’t notice it. I really think it is one of those things that will work BRs below 12.0 just the same, although FK90 spam will change things a bit.