i know it shows “bug report here 3” but i can only open the supercruise bug report, which isn’t what i complained about. could be and probably is my fault, not sure.
and how do you think rafale needed a nerf? just because you don’t like it? every top tier plane in the game pulls way more g’s than they can. there’s no way you’re getting in an f16 and pull 12g’s in real life. i don’t have the eurofighter typhoon, so i’m not gonna comment on what i don’t know. where in god’s green earth is that realistic? rafale can just pull better, simple facts.
i’m not saying the rafale is COMPLETELY ruined and unplayable.i still play it. i like it more than the su30sm2. still a very strong plane. but nerfing an aircraft ruins the way people enjoy it. this didn’t ruin it. but what stops it from being ruined by more and more artificial adjustments? not just the rafale, any plane. i’m complaining about flight models in general, not JUST the rafale, but mainly highlighting it because it’s the most recent one.
f15c golden eagle is worse than the su30sm? the one with engines that have less power than the su27sm? it’s atleast arguable if you said “it has 270 degree radar” for the sm2, but not for the sm. it has 12 fox 3’s, f15c has 12 fox 3’s. but f15 can get insane amounts of energy, speed and altitude. su 30sm cant. f15c has trillions of countermeasures. su30sm doesnt. i’m sorry, but there’s no way su30sm is better than the f15c in any way. but i don’t think i can explain it to you in any way that you’ll get or have a discussion about, since you “frankly don’t care” anyway.
it is absurd
In fact, playing it for the free ace
made me worse at the game
because it’s that handholdy
Yes
worse missile load
I vastly prefer the 12 Fox-3 loadout + optional R-27ER and 2 R-73 over 12 amraams (It’s kinda objectively better ngl)
both have somewhat anemic airframes for the br
98x large caliber countermeasures is solid for top tier
The aircraft has a physically impossible lack of drag at high alt
Seriously, that thing turns and loses no speed at all, and just doesnt stop accelerating, equivalents like the Typhoon hit a brick wall of drag the moment they go above about Mach 1.1. The Rafale is something like 3x faster at accelerating from low speed to high supersonic than either the F-15s or Typhoon. When a Typhoon defends at high alt, it looses around 0.2-0.3 mach every single time, Rafale loose like 0.05 mach at most.
Im of the opinion that it needs more drag than what it got or everything else needs a drag reduction.
You mean like the BOL being artificially nerfed (Chaff is around 4-5x weaker than it should be and the flares are approx 3-4x weaker than they should be) , the FM far weaker than it should be, the massively restricted A2G loadout, the weak as hell A2A missiles, the training belts in the gun, the buggy as hell cockpit, etc etc.
let alone all the missing P4E upgrades like instead of the recently reduced 32 LCMs, the AESA should have 150 LCMs
You do know the Typhoon has been massively artificially nerfed since day one. Right?
You mean like the BOL being artificially nerfed (Chaff is around 4-5x weaker than it should be and the flares are approx 3-4x weaker than they should be) , the FM far weaker than it should be, the massively restricted A2G loadout, the weak as hell A2A missiles, the training belts in the gun, the buggy as hell cockpit, etc etc. let alone all the missing P4E upgrades like instead of the recently reduced 32 LCMs, the AESA should have 150 LCMs You do know the Typhoon has been massively artificially nerfed since day one. Right?
exactly what i’m talking about. artificial nerfs. as i’ve mentioned in my replies before, i don’t have the typhoon which is why i didn’t ‘mostly’ comment on it, didn’t know it lost that much speed while defending because i assumed its superior engines let it stay at mach hell forever.
You do know the Typhoon has been massively artificially nerfed since day one. Right?
nope, didn’t know.
though maybe not the “weak as hell a2a” missiles, since c-5 is the longest range missile asides from the d even though not an aam4, since it can’t pull. mica is a short range missile, which can be launched from 30-35km’s at mach 2 and 9500 meters at the start of the game. imagine an amraam doing the same but better.
straying way off course, my point remains about artificial nerfs in general, with rafale’s recent airframe change and mig 29’s. i am strongly against it. why does rafale have 8 mica’s? f3 variant should have 6. but are we giving the f16’s double pylons to carry more air to air missiles? no. does the f14d carry amraams? no. is it a premium? of course. is the added premium f16 better than the tech tree f16? yep. both quite literally have jhmcs historically, i have no idea what justifies them to not add it to the tech tree version, other than not paying money for it.
Yeah, nope, the Rafale has stupidly little drag, the Typhoon should be the superior high alt aircraft, its not.
Though I wouldnt call the Rafale Drag nerfs “artifiical balancing nerfs” as I would say that it was and still overperforming in that regard.
Range means basically nothing, The most I routinely fire C5s from is 20-25km, even go mach 1.5+. I might try a longer range shot, like 35-40km, but they rarely hit.
Shorter range performance is king, and that is MICA and R-77-1 by a notable margin.
Do you have any evidence the change was wrong though?
It definetly had too little drag and probably still does now.
Yes, it got an artifiical buff that it didnt need at the time.
so rafale shouldn’t have 8 mica’s?? it had the potential to carry it. then lets remove planes like the mirage 4000 and xp 50. never entered service. infact, the only xp 50 that was ever made blew up somehow outside of combat, which i don’t remember how.
No, it should have been restricted to 6, especially when it was just steamrolling for the entirety of 2025. Would ahve then made sense to add the F4 this last december with 8, now its kinda a semi pointless addition.
GNSS though does also mean it makes less corrective turns and doesnt waste as much energy, which is strictly better at range is a debate to be had.
Though C5 fired from a Typhoon probably has more range than a D fired from a F-15C GE purely because of launch conditions (assuming both were fired their aircraft max speed)
still straying off course. premium bias? selective realism? do not artificially nerf aircraft. give the mig 29 its true flight model. change br’s. ESPECIALLY, THE J15T. if you see more than 2 j15t’s on your team, you already know your team is losing. that thing needs to be 14.3 IMMEDIATELY.
yep. f4 variant should have been added. you can nerf its sensors, which i am not against since it would be too powerful for the meta and other aircraft would have to have their own sensors. but you could justify it having 8 mica’s and having the scorpion hmd. unless in the future they are planning to add rafale f4 when 5th gen aircraft gets added, of course.
