If they are capable of CAS, no one would use them as TY90 launcher.
Rising BR don’t solve the problem, lowering BR do.
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The higher BR they put CN helis at ,
The more mismatch their CAS ability is,
The more TY-90s are used,
The higher BR they put CN helis at…
Meanwhile, CN heli tree will be more like SPAAs with higher SP
This is a death spiral.
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The problem currently facing the TY90 carrier is essentially one of the BR of superior air control aircraft in land warfare
If a helicopter has excellent anti-air capabilities, it really can’t be placed at a lower BR. Using the fixed-wing analogy, in the low BR combat, Yak-3 and La-7 have excellent anti-air capabilities but only low-yield bombs or even no bombs at all, but that still doesn’t stop them from doing well in 4.3 and 4.7 BR land battles, and no one thinks that there’s anything wrong with these lower respawn-point fighters shooting down higher respawn-point attackers carrying bombs with ease.
But the problem is that the entire helicopter tech tree is centered around land combat. The core of land combat is ground combat, so players want helicopters to have better ground attack capabilities to change the game on the ground, and that’s the problem with the Z-9, Z-19, and Z-10, they’re like the Yak-3 and La-7 of helicopters.
In actual combat, TY90 carrier players choose to attack heliports because of the lack of superior air-to-ground missiles. They are like fighters waiting for enemy attack aircraft to respawn at a fixed wing respawn point.You can be angry about this but it is not an immoral or against the rules of the game.Gaijin should take steps to improve the air defense of the respawn points without interfering with the normal gameplay instead of blaming these players who are abiding by the rules of the game.
In my opinion, all Z-9 helicopters should remove the TY90, Z9W use more modern HJ-8 missiles such as HJ-8Es or HJ-8Hs and adjust the BR to 9.3 for targeting French Gazelle-M helicopters, Z-9WA get AKD-9s air-to-ground missiles and adjust the BR to 10.0 for targeting British Lynx helicopters, and Z-19 and Z-10 will still have TY90 missiles.
At mean time, the Chinese tech tree still needs to get helicopters from Taiwan to provide players with more options: the OH-58D, AH-1W, and AH-64. these helicopters, with better ground capabilities, can somewhat curb the number of times the TY90s will be in combat.
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TY-90 needs to be removed and/or the amount of missiles should be restricted to less unblanced numbers.
Here’s just one example how unbalanced TY-90 helis are in AIR RB. From 7 enemy air spawns the Ty-90 player killed 5. When I watched the replay he did the usual thing. He spawned his Z-10 early and flew far around the ground battlefield in our map half. He landed the heli between some trees near the air spawn and with good view on our heliport.
Whenever a jet was spawned (you hear the jet engine and hypersonic boom as they spawn), he just hoverer up, shot a Ty-90 and killed it just seconds after spawn. Same when someone spawned a heli. After the kill the landed again. This is impossible to counter. You simply can’t spot a heli like this and you’re dead before you even sorted yourself after spawn.
Thats not even the worst I noticed in GRB, I’ve also seen chinese heli campers with 9 air kills. Which is rediclulous. Probably the pinnacle of griefing gameplay. Its just unfair.
Remove Ty-90, its just too modern and the loadout numbers (up to 16x TY-90, depends on the heli) are too high. Even the 8x TY-90 helis can usually kill every airspawn for the remainder of a match.
Its especially unfair when you consider than you have to invest up to 900 spawn points for fully equipped cas jets, just to be spawncamped and killed a couple of seconds after spawn.
At least make the TY-90 more expensive to spawn, so those can’t spawn at match start and take the time until first jets appear to safely fly over and bunker down in the enemy half of the map in uncounterable spawn camping position. Same could be done with the british Apache and its lame Star Streaks, which also have alot potential to be misused thx to their unbalanced early spawn ability.
Weapons which exceed a certain power level shouldn’t be just aviable for lulz at match start.
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I sympathize with what you’re going through but don’t entirely agree with you.
The same thing happened with the TY90 with the Mistral a few years ago and it was worse - the best jet fighters at the time were the Mig19 and F-100, the best CAS attack planes were the G91R3 and FJ4B, and the Mistral missiles could easily kill any of the fixed-wing airplanes and helicopters. However, at the time, heliports were heavily protected by AI anti-aircraft artillery fire, making this phenomenon less noticeable. Nowadays, although the operational effectiveness of the Mistral missile has been significantly reduced, the Tiger HAPs and Tiger HADs are still able to use the same tactics as the TY90 carriers to suppress heliports that lack AA gun protection, and both French helicopters are much more effective against helicopters because of their better guns, especially against Mi28nms and Ka52s, which are not able to lock on to them with infrared-guided missiles.
I agree with your suggestion to increase spawn points though, increasing air-to-air missile spawn points is a good way to contain TY90s, and I think that spawn points for helicopters carrying air-to-air missiles should be brought closer to fixed-wing aircraft carrying air-to-air missiles, at least to make sure that no player will be able to choose to use a TY90 carrier at the start of a battle to suppress the opponent’s airfields and airborne spawn points. This adjustment should apply to all helicopters carrying air-to-air missiles, including but not limited to the TY90, Mistral, AIM-9L and others.
As for your reference to carrying precision guided weapons with up to 900 spawn points, I’m guessing you’re using F4E/F16A fighters carrying AGM-65Bs, the spawn points required to carry these missiles are too high and they don’t perform as well as Kh29 missiles. The tweak they desperately need is to reduce the spawn points to over 700, similar to aircraft carrying laser guided missiles. For comparison, a jet fighter or low BR attack aircraft carrying unguided bombs has 600 spawn points, which is a perfectly acceptable score. This makes the spawn points for a top BR fight like a low BR, with fighters using ground weapons having higher but not exaggerated spawn points relative to anit-air fighters, while the use of a TY90 carrier is close to the use of an air-controlled fighter, like an F-14B or Mig29 that appears in a top BR fight.
I used to do this with the mi28n back when igla was 18g against top tier jets back in 2019 with virtually no flares lmao. Imagine ty90 but 3 years ago. The reason you hear about it now is because the z19e is a premium with ty90s. If there was no ty90 on z19e you’d barely hear about this issue.
As it stands ty90 is overall the single best and most modern IR aam in game period. Not even the the r27t has the delta v or seeker quality. Ive played busted vehicles before and z10 is definitely what id consider a break in the matrix lol. There is no vehicle that can murder aircraft like that thing can. You dont even need to sit at the airspawn, just hover in the trees near the battlefield.
Its also the quantity of the missile. Other choppers have four AAMs. So when you sneak into enemy territory the damage you might inflict is rather limited and the way back to base is very long + dangerous.
Compare this to the 8 - 16 TY-90 loadouts of chinese helis. They can stay in spawn camping position the whole remainder of the match and kill most if not all air spawns (16xTY-90).
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Which is why i find it hilarious when non helicopter people protest the addition of aim9m to ah1z. Meanwhile z10 has 16 missiles that are BETTER than aim9m
I also dont think its that widespread of an issue. There aren’t many z10s in circulation at top tier, china being a minor nation with a premium most people dont bother grinding past. Tbh i think the only heli that should get ty90 is the tech tree z19 and z10, or at least limit them to 4 on 19e and z9wa like other heli are limited to around 4 manpads. I agree; the quantity is absolutely a major problem with these missiles.
Of the ones I know for sure; the Mi-35M, Mi-28s, Ka-52 and A-129CBT have 8 AAM loadouts.
Viper should have had AIM-9M for like 2 years now or somethin.
Yeah it really should have. Its too late now to make much a difference especially with the recent drag nerf to missiles.
I guess the next A2A missile in terms of escalating performance for the AH-1Z would be the AIM-9X Block I, either that or a Later Stinger variant which would trade some maneuverability for Lock-on range / (D)IRCM immunity.
aim9x would do better since its lower drag but its still got the same delta v as aim9L/M. It would not be capable of pulling off 5-6km shots against jets like the ty90. It would be very effective against other helicopters though since its lock range and irccm would be very strong.
Atleast the Z-10 has a gun, Z-19/E cant do shit to a Ka-52/Mi-28NM, and only like 1/10 TY-90’s fired at a Ka-50 will actually hit them because of the MAWS spamming flares (what happened to TY-90’s being unflareable???)
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The ty90s irccm is currently slightly worse than stinger and igla, so for anti chopper duty its only useful against choppers without maw. Still better than mistral which is just pitiful. When ty90 first arrived all manpads were virtually unflareable.
my personal suggestion (for playing the z9w and z19e) is reverse their br to what they were. 9.0 is fine for the z9w, 9.3 for the wa, and little ty90s don’t change anything other the fact that planes aren’t a death sentence but a minor inconvenience. If gaijin actually implemented manpads correctly, ty90 stats would be average. Plane player can just cope, they have no right to complain about getting balanced by helicopters or sams.
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ty90 is only flarable by ircm helicopters, anything else is just doomed if they are in range. TY90 is basically a strela with eccm/irccm
To solve the problem with Z9WA, it is only necessary to replace the Z9WA with Z9WZ, which can carry AKD9. From the current hanging frame of Z9WA, if the 4-engine TY90+4-engine AKD9 scheme is adopted, it goes without saying that the TY90 is just right. At a BR of 10.7, the 4-engine AKD9 is only at a good level (with a range of 6km, it will face Roland 3). PS: Z9WZ does not even need to remake the model, which is very in line with Gaijin’s style
gaijin didnt even change it’s name and gave it akd9, which is very in line with Gaijin’s style XD