Get out of here. If we use your logic, then why are you complaining about it? Put up with it. Everyone knows this is only free-to-play in name, anyway.
The mirage 3 and all the further developments are one circle fighters, it always has been. I’m not gonna sit here and try to argue with someone who is trying to say the Mirage is a rate fighter because you’re just so wrong its funny. And I don’t know if I mentioned this but the Kfir isn’t a mirage 5, its heavily upgraded and pulls harder than the mirage 5.
I really didn’t think I’d need to say this as I thought it was fairly obvious but I meant prototype 150mm cannons on modern MBT’s, or the NATO counterpart 140mm prototypes, which I really thought was obvious but I guess not.
The FJ-4B was the first aircraft to get mouse guided ATGM’s on an aircraft, so yet again wrong.
And the Tornado has the most advanced anti-ship guided missiles in the game, there isn’t/wasn’t anything else like it in the game and its useless as is but Gaijin added it just to test advanced anti-ship missiles and their performance in the game (ARH+IOG guided).
It’s much slower and doesn’t have really good self defense against other aircraft, and I much prefer ATGM’s for dealing with things like SPAA while having the two IR guided bombs to take out heavier targets like MBT’s capping points. I also think the A7E will be much worse after the TOR-M1 got moved to 11.0, but the only thing about the F4E now I don’t like is that America has no 11.0 ground vehicles anymore, so you need to either bring a 10.7 or 11.3 lineup.
@SolareHQ
Then don’t try to say Mirage is a rate fighter.
However, you should really check my Mirage 3 performance before looking down on me.
Unlike you, I have a hilarious amount of experience in all the vehicles I’m mentioning.
Object 292 isn’t an MBT. It lacks machine guns, smoke grenades, and other aspects of MBTs. Object 292 is a tank destroyer “nerfed” with the medium tank classification.
at least the t80 is russian and will therefore work unlike the literally unusable luchs
Do you know what rate fighter means? You’re implying by saying its not a 1 circle fighter that it prefers the 2 circle, which otherwise is known as a rate fight. YOU SAID THAT not me. Don’t try to lecture me on experience with a vehicle when you don’t even understand the basics of it.
The object 292 was literally developed of the chassis of another Russian MBT being the T80U and in the unclassified information about the vehicle they literally call it an experimental MBT.
@SolareHQ
I’m saying that in the context of air RB, talking about specific 1v1 jargon does not matter; this is the only thing I’ve said on that subject.
One day you might understand the Mirage 3/5 platform.
The object 292 we have in-game is not an MBT, it’s an Object 120 with a fire control system, armor and a better round.
The Mirage 3 was designed as an interceptor in the late 50s, I’m not saying it excels at dogfighting but I am saying it is a one circle fighter. There is no question about this, its a delta winged aircraft that loses more energy and position as the fight goes on. The Kfir block 60 is much better in this role than its predecessors due to upgrades in avionics and engine power, it still maintains the fact that it performs better in the one circle fight, especially with HMD and Derby’s/Python 3’s. I understand the platform very well and what it was designed for.
What would your definition of an MBT be because I’d define it as a heavily armored, high firepower, good mobility tank with lower weight than a super heavy tank, which is how its been defined since the Chieftain was put into production, and the Object 292 fits all of those criteria. No one has ever Its literally a T80U with a 152mm cannon instead of the 125, that’s it.
Here is literally a definition straight from the OSCE defining modern MBT’s
The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe defines a main battle tank as “a self-propelled armored fighting vehicle, capable of heavy firepower, primarily of a high muzzle velocity direct fire main gun necessary to engage armored and other targets, with high cross-country mobility, with a high level of self-protection, and which is not designed and equipped primarily to transport combat troops.”
What role does the Object 292 not fulfill within that definition and where does it say you need machine guns or smoke grenades to function as an MBT. The reason it probably doesn’t have those things is because it never entered production and was only a prototype vehicle, which was still made to be an MBT. Not to mention its NATO counterparts like the leopard 140mm would be most likely lacking some of these aspects as well, and was also still designed to fulfill the roll of an MBT, not a TD.
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