I was kind of excited leading up to them releasing but now… we have the T80UD which despite people complaining about too many T80’s I was happy China was getting something more unique for the 10.0/10.3 lineup… then they put it at 10.7 (because it has thermals) where there is no lineup. Like seriously why couldn’t it have just been a copy paste of the Russian premium version, and been kept it at the same BR where there’s an actual lineup (besides a new helicopter premium (which probably influenced the BR placement)). And for air it was looking like we were gonna get another SU25BM situation, in how on release it was the only aircraft with R73’s in the game, it looked like the kfir was going to receive python 4s and be a kind of test bed for this new generation of IR missiles at 13.7/14.0. But alas it received the python 3s (which are generally thought too much of by gaijin when considering BR placement) and the derby’s, then was severely under tiered (except in ground where its the max BR for some reason despite having minimal CAS options, maybe they forgot to change it after scrapping the Python 4 lol). These event vehicles are really lacking any soul and are placed at awful BR’s, for the kfir it’ll probably get moved up after they make their money from people buying coupons off the marketplace, since 13.0 with AESA radar, HMD, and 4 fox 3’s is ridiculous considering something like the AV-8B sits at the same BR when its worse in every way. But for the T80UD I doubt gaijin will budge at all with this thing and it will continue I do hope we see some changes in the time it takes for people to get the mark of distinctions necessary to unlock these vehicles, as right now they’re pretty bad in the sense of 1 being an event vehicle and 2 being properly balanced in accordance to BR (I cant comment on the ship as I don’t play naval, seems better than the other 2 though).
Currently it gets 2032 radar, not 2052 so its normal M-scan set as of now.
Ah yeah it does, on the event news page it said aesa radar though.
UD is, because it was copypasta, the Kfir C.10 is quiet interesting, and then you have naval (no one cares to be fair)
Also, china didn’t need it.
It also should have been 10.3. It has nothing other than armor that makes the T-80U worth playing. No BM46, no faster reverse…
You forgot to mention the new ship. Another marvelous copy paste.
Yet the Swedish T-80U has Gen-1 thermals, no reverse gear, no camo-net, and only Mango at 11.3 🙃
Pretty numerous, I can say the respectable part of War Thunder Playerbase,
About the T-80UD (478BE) I was expecting some good improvements like the ZTZ99A/VT4A1 power pack, improved gun handling or a better ammunition selection. But nothing as a 2nd generation thermal imager to push a 10.3 vehicle to 10.7.
I was expecting something really unique over a bad choice of copy paste vehicle. The mentioned AAAV was a good idea but it seems we’ll not see this soon. My guess it’s that, the Storm Warning major update made this event barely developed. What I mean is, it was too rushed.
“Copy-paste” is the ideal event vehicle; time-locked content should never be unique.
The actual ideal would be to have no time-locked content at all, but since we’re stuck with it “copy-paste” is best.
I’m very happy to see Kirishima in the game, but less so that half of her class is now time-locked.
No one’s complaining about too many Abrams, Shermans, T-series, etc.
China has a 10.7 - 11.0 lineup too:
Green = 11.0.
Blue = 10.7.
You really shouldn’t post misinformation that’s easily fact-checked.
It got thermals IRL thus should have them in-game.
Kfir was never going to receive Python 4s. Nothing ever indicated this, especially due to how bad the airframe is for 14.0.
I dont think it necessarily “needed” it but it would have been fun to use in a lineup since its a lot tankier than the other options
notice how none of those vehicles are 10.7?
Kfir had pylons for the Python 4s in the files so you’re wrong again, and you wouldn’t need a good airframe for Python 4s since they’re over 60g’s and it has hmd. This is exactly why I compared it to the SU25BM which was the first aircraft to receive R73s despite it being a bad airframe. As a BVR fighter it is way too good for 13.0 and will outclass every single vehicle at the BR. Also what? Gaijin has removed features on so many vehicles in the past for “balance” so I dont understand why this would be different. They literally added the pzh 2000 this update which is lacking a stabilizer and its thermals lmfao.
Its not time locked at all and you can purchase it off the marketplace any time “except on xbox and ps which is what should be complained about”. Also lots of event vehicles don’t really have a place in the tech trees, like the merkava for US shouldn’t be in the TT, or the M60 AMBT, or the Object 279, or the SU25BM. Event vehicles are good opportunities to add vehicles that wouldnt fit well in the tech tree, like upgraded export vehicles, vehicles that we’re only tested, etc. My problem is with how few of these vehicles are given to minor nations, like how France basically has 2 tech tree vehicles as event vehicles when there are countless prototype vehicles that could be really cool to see in game. With the increasing amount of copy paste in the game I would hate to see more events wasted on vehicles we already have in the game and rather focus on more unique things that could be added.
“no ones complaing about too many Shermans, T-Series, etc.”
^ literally talking about the point I’m trying to make
These are all comments on one post btw, I’m sure I could find much more if I looked on the forums/reddit.
You really shouldn’t post misinformation that’s easily fact-checked, but I guess that’s what trolls do huh.
Just cause something isn’t 10.7, or something is 10.7 doesn’t mean it’s not capable at 0.3 BR higher.
China’s 10.3s are 10.7s at 10.3.
Me: “Kfir IRL can use Python 4s. It was never an indication in-game that they would come as Kfir would be a rather eh 14.0 vehicle.”
I’ll wait for you to prove that wrong if you double down.
Also if you think Viggen D, Sea Harrier, and Kfir C10 are too good for 13.0… lol
PzH 2000 doesn’t have a thermal sight equipped to its model.
And I’ve seen no evidence of stabilizer.
Gaijin has never removed features for balance.
Yeah because what’s the difference in BR anyways right? Why don’t we just put every vehicle in the game at one single BR rating and see how that goes. Sure you can play it at 11.0 but that’s basically 2 BR brackets higher than its counterpart is placed at and you will be out classed by almost everything at the BR. Or, like you mentioned, you can take the 10.3 lineup to 10.7 and have to face things like the M1A2, Challenger 3TD, Leopard 2PL, T80U, etc. China’s 10.3 MBT’s are alright at best and have massive weak spots with bad mobility that doesn’t really compensate for things like firepower and thermals. I don’t know if you read my previous reply but it was already found to have pylons fitted to the Python 4 before it released in the event, had nothing to do with whether it can use it IRL. The difference between the Kfir and the vehicles you mentioned is massive, this is an extremely upgraded mirage 3 with HMD and better acceleration/top speed than all the vehicles you mentioned, the Viggen D is literally a brick at low speeds and has no HMD, and the harriers are just awful plain and simple. If you REALLY wanted to compare it to a 13.0 you could mention the J-8F since it has both HMD, PL12s, good acceleration and PL8s which are just Python 3s but you didn’t think of this since you spend most your time on the forums. Even this comparison doesn’t hold up as it only gets 2 PL12s and is also a brick. With 6 PL12s it would be comparable to the mig29 and could go to 13.3, but the Kfir is still better with 4 Derbys and its performance. Also what? There are literally videos of the PZH2000 moving with a vertical stabilizer lmfao so I don’t know what you’re on about. “Gaijin has never removed features for balance” lmfao, this one is just funny. I don’t really want to spend the time to make a whole list so I’ll just mention how they kept the Stinger from getting its proper G-tolerance because of “this Russian missile looks similar and can’t do that” or how the HSTV-L had its wrong reload speed for literal years.
Even if they don’t need it, they deserve it. I’m not too fussed with the 10.7 BR, I’d just uptier the ZBD04 and QN506 and AFT09 and ZTZ96A, or I’ll just play it with the ZTZ99-II/III. One of the things I love about the Chinese tree is that even when you don’t have a line-up at a high BR, you’ll always have stuff like the AFT09 to bring.
@SolareHQ
F-14B retains energy better, has the same class of IR missiles, far more countermeasures, and 8 total missiles. 6 of which can be AIM-7Fs if you prefer that over a 4x4 loadout.
Viggen D has the same class of IR and radar missiles as Kfir, retains energy slightly worse, has more countermeasures, worse RWR, more missiles at 6.
Sea Harrier has the same class of radar missiles, more countermeasures, is subsonic.
Kfir only has 74 countermeasures, 4 total missiles standard IR and standard dogfight ARH, an airframe which is F-4E equivalent. And the HMD which is entirely personal preference.
Of course you have the 13.0 aircraft superior to this Kfir in every way: F-4F ICE with superior IR missiles as well.
F-15, Su-27, Su-33, etc.
Weird of your post to imply that Kfir is the worst brick in the game by comparing it to the superior flight performance J-8F and claiming that’s a brick despite the J-8F never being a brick. J-8F performs better than F-5E in flight performance by far for example. While the Kfir performs between F-5C and F-5E, slightly worse than the Phantom.