Yet the Swedish T-80U has Gen-1 thermals, no reverse gear, no camo-net, and only Mango at 11.3 🙃
Pretty numerous, I can say the respectable part of War Thunder Playerbase,
About the T-80UD (478BE) I was expecting some good improvements like the ZTZ99A/VT4A1 power pack, improved gun handling or a better ammunition selection. But nothing as a 2nd generation thermal imager to push a 10.3 vehicle to 10.7.
I was expecting something really unique over a bad choice of copy paste vehicle. The mentioned AAAV was a good idea but it seems we’ll not see this soon. My guess it’s that, the Storm Warning major update made this event barely developed. What I mean is, it was too rushed.
“Copy-paste” is the ideal event vehicle; time-locked content should never be unique.
The actual ideal would be to have no time-locked content at all, but since we’re stuck with it “copy-paste” is best.
I’m very happy to see Kirishima in the game, but less so that half of her class is now time-locked.
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No one’s complaining about too many Abrams, Shermans, T-series, etc.
China has a 10.7 - 11.0 lineup too:
Green = 11.0.
Blue = 10.7.
You really shouldn’t post misinformation that’s easily fact-checked.
It got thermals IRL thus should have them in-game.
Kfir was never going to receive Python 4s. Nothing ever indicated this, especially due to how bad the airframe is for 14.0.
I dont think it necessarily “needed” it but it would have been fun to use in a lineup since its a lot tankier than the other options
notice how none of those vehicles are 10.7?
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Kfir had pylons for the Python 4s in the files so you’re wrong again, and you wouldn’t need a good airframe for Python 4s since they’re over 60g’s and it has hmd. This is exactly why I compared it to the SU25BM which was the first aircraft to receive R73s despite it being a bad airframe. As a BVR fighter it is way too good for 13.0 and will outclass every single vehicle at the BR. Also what? Gaijin has removed features on so many vehicles in the past for “balance” so I dont understand why this would be different. They literally added the pzh 2000 this update which is lacking a stabilizer and its thermals lmfao.
Its not time locked at all and you can purchase it off the marketplace any time “except on xbox and ps which is what should be complained about”. Also lots of event vehicles don’t really have a place in the tech trees, like the merkava for US shouldn’t be in the TT, or the M60 AMBT, or the Object 279, or the SU25BM. Event vehicles are good opportunities to add vehicles that wouldnt fit well in the tech tree, like upgraded export vehicles, vehicles that we’re only tested, etc. My problem is with how few of these vehicles are given to minor nations, like how France basically has 2 tech tree vehicles as event vehicles when there are countless prototype vehicles that could be really cool to see in game. With the increasing amount of copy paste in the game I would hate to see more events wasted on vehicles we already have in the game and rather focus on more unique things that could be added.
“no ones complaing about too many Shermans, T-Series, etc.”
^ literally talking about the point I’m trying to make
These are all comments on one post btw, I’m sure I could find much more if I looked on the forums/reddit.
You really shouldn’t post misinformation that’s easily fact-checked, but I guess that’s what trolls do huh.
Just cause something isn’t 10.7, or something is 10.7 doesn’t mean it’s not capable at 0.3 BR higher.
China’s 10.3s are 10.7s at 10.3.
Me: “Kfir IRL can use Python 4s. It was never an indication in-game that they would come as Kfir would be a rather eh 14.0 vehicle.”
I’ll wait for you to prove that wrong if you double down.
Also if you think Viggen D, Sea Harrier, and Kfir C10 are too good for 13.0… lol
PzH 2000 doesn’t have a thermal sight equipped to its model.
And I’ve seen no evidence of stabilizer.
Gaijin has never removed features for balance.
Yeah because what’s the difference in BR anyways right? Why don’t we just put every vehicle in the game at one single BR rating and see how that goes. Sure you can play it at 11.0 but that’s basically 2 BR brackets higher than its counterpart is placed at and you will be out classed by almost everything at the BR. Or, like you mentioned, you can take the 10.3 lineup to 10.7 and have to face things like the M1A2, Challenger 3TD, Leopard 2PL, T80U, etc. China’s 10.3 MBT’s are alright at best and have massive weak spots with bad mobility that doesn’t really compensate for things like firepower and thermals. I don’t know if you read my previous reply but it was already found to have pylons fitted to the Python 4 before it released in the event, had nothing to do with whether it can use it IRL. The difference between the Kfir and the vehicles you mentioned is massive, this is an extremely upgraded mirage 3 with HMD and better acceleration/top speed than all the vehicles you mentioned, the Viggen D is literally a brick at low speeds and has no HMD, and the harriers are just awful plain and simple. If you REALLY wanted to compare it to a 13.0 you could mention the J-8F since it has both HMD, PL12s, good acceleration and PL8s which are just Python 3s but you didn’t think of this since you spend most your time on the forums. Even this comparison doesn’t hold up as it only gets 2 PL12s and is also a brick. With 6 PL12s it would be comparable to the mig29 and could go to 13.3, but the Kfir is still better with 4 Derbys and its performance. Also what? There are literally videos of the PZH2000 moving with a vertical stabilizer lmfao so I don’t know what you’re on about. “Gaijin has never removed features for balance” lmfao, this one is just funny. I don’t really want to spend the time to make a whole list so I’ll just mention how they kept the Stinger from getting its proper G-tolerance because of “this Russian missile looks similar and can’t do that” or how the HSTV-L had its wrong reload speed for literal years.
Even if they don’t need it, they deserve it. I’m not too fussed with the 10.7 BR, I’d just uptier the ZBD04 and QN506 and AFT09 and ZTZ96A, or I’ll just play it with the ZTZ99-II/III. One of the things I love about the Chinese tree is that even when you don’t have a line-up at a high BR, you’ll always have stuff like the AFT09 to bring.
@SolareHQ
F-14B retains energy better, has the same class of IR missiles, far more countermeasures, and 8 total missiles. 6 of which can be AIM-7Fs if you prefer that over a 4x4 loadout.
Viggen D has the same class of IR and radar missiles as Kfir, retains energy slightly worse, has more countermeasures, worse RWR, more missiles at 6.
Sea Harrier has the same class of radar missiles, more countermeasures, is subsonic.
Kfir only has 74 countermeasures, 4 total missiles standard IR and standard dogfight ARH, an airframe which is F-4E equivalent. And the HMD which is entirely personal preference.
Of course you have the 13.0 aircraft superior to this Kfir in every way: F-4F ICE with superior IR missiles as well.
F-15, Su-27, Su-33, etc.
Weird of your post to imply that Kfir is the worst brick in the game by comparing it to the superior flight performance J-8F and claiming that’s a brick despite the J-8F never being a brick. J-8F performs better than F-5E in flight performance by far for example. While the Kfir performs between F-5C and F-5E, slightly worse than the Phantom.
First time in the history of man am I hearing J-8F and ‘superior flight performance’ in same sentence.
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I don’t know if you’ve touched top tier air in the last few months, but HMD is kind of a big deal especially with 40g ARH missiles. With its current loadout you wouldn’t even want to take any IR missiles and would go with 4 Derby’s instead. Half the vehicles you mentioned are outclassed by this purely because of the HMD and ARH missiles. The F-14B has awful ARH missiles and Aim-7F’s which are dogshit at a BR with Fox 3s that force you to notch and lose lock, or rely on terrain to attempt to multipath the missile, which is made even worse by the fact the kfir has HMD. Above 700km/h this thing performs better than any vehicle at the BR and is easily one of the best one circle fighters. As of this moment the Kfir accelerates faster than the J-8F, turns better at higher speeds and equal/slightly better at low speeds, has a higher max speed and has more ARH missiles which is really all that matters as the Pythons are garbage at the BR they’re placed at. 74 CM’s is more than enough if you’re remotely good at the game and the fact it has 4 IR missiles is literally made irrelevant by the fact you can take the Derby’s instead. I don’t know if you think this thing is a Mirage 3 but the F-4E performs no where near as well as this thing, and is completely outclassed regardless of the situation. It also still does not have it’s radar modeled correctly and will most likely be getting AESA radar as the dev blog stated it would. None of the vehicles you mentioned besides the ICE gets ARH missiles so I will completely ignore them as they are pretty much irrelevant since this things BR is based solely on how good the weaponry is. The F-4F ICE lacks HMD and good acceleration and gets absolutely destroyed by this thing in a dog fight, and also has the same amount of ARH missiles.
Few people play the J-8s, and fewer post on the forums.
J-8s retain energy superior to Kfir, F-4, F-5E, while having a higher AOA limit than F-5E and Kfir.
J-8F also has a similar time to climb as F-15.
@SolareHQ
I’ve been playing top BR consistently from 2022 to present. It’s one of my favorite game modes.
I use HMD for thrust vectoring missiles.
I however much prefer ACM spam for every other missile type.
As I said, it’s preference.
Also, please format your posts.
Kfir accelerates slower:
Also dogfights aren’t common in air RB, what matters more is energy retention.
The Kfir is a Mirage 5 with a Phantom engine… that’s its airframe.
Also you don’t launch on things that launched on you, you wait for a better launch window.
AMRAAMs don’t make or break some aircraft. F-15, Su-27, and Su-33 are OP despite it not having AMRAAMS.
Why are you comparing it to those? Compare J-8Fs flight performance to SU-27, MiG-29, F-15A, and all the others at its BR. J-8F has no issues climbing, that is not its issue. Thing is still a brick. It has an artificially inflated BR because of 2x PL-12 and a bunch of PL-8 with no IRCCM.
The Kfir C.10 Block 60 is far from being in its final form. Simply put it’s not only missing its historically used Python 5 and I-Derby ER (for balancing reasons ofc), but it doesn’t even have the I-Derby and Python 4. Not to mention it still lacks its AESA radar and such. The one ingame that viewable just represents a standard C.10 in its current form, it’s not the event prize in that respect.
It has Python 4s in the files, but not ingame yet. I hope it does get them ofc, as 70G Israeli bias stick would be so funny to see… it would be a great way to test the next gen of IR missiles, as it’s not thrust vectoring and was literally designed to counter the R-73. It would make sense to add it as the first of the next gen IR missiles given it came first, as well as when looking at its capabilities.
By “energy retention” you mean turns like a mig-19 right?
I’ve put in hundreds of games between the two J-8’s we have in game and am very intimate with it’s pros and cons.
You’re running both with max fuel and fuel tanks which has much less of an effect on the J-8F since it has more thrust and is a higher weight in general. You’re also 40 meters higher in the Kfir not that it really matters, but it definitely has an impact on the results. The Kfir will also continue to out pace it at higher speeds as the J-8F slows down more, it also climbs faster than the J-8F.
The Fox-3s on this thing is literally a make or break, without them it would be useless at 13.0 and with them it’s one of the strongest in the BR bracket. In a head on 1v1 with any non fox-3 carrying aircraft this thing should win every time, as with Fox-1s you have to either commit to staying locked on the enemy or give up position and lock to notch an incoming missile. This is literally the reason why this aircraft is so good as it has all the necessary elements to beat any 13.0 aircraft without much of an issue.
HMD is good whether you prefer it or not, it lets you fire missile much sooner than with ACM especially with HMD, and lets you have a large head start in notching any incoming missiles.