if that was still in the game now in high tier grb you would just see half your team vanish within the first 2 minuites
Extremely unlikely. It’s literally one 3rd of its entire fuselage lenght and there is no way they can balance all that lost weight with only the rotor pitch.
Their tail CONTROL perhaps isn’t mandatory. The weight and balance definitely is.
We have that one video of ka52 flying with only its horizontal stabilizer missing and it still jettisoned all of its weapons and flew very slowly.
Stupid idea that nobody asked for (or wanted) that only benefits those who can’t aim. Way over complicates the game and will actually encourage even more passive gameplay to avoid taking damage. Imagine you lost an engine/wingtip and are RTB, only for the match to end before you make it to the AF thus counting as a death. Really?
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Kind of unfair to be ejected for severe damage after the match is over
The player has already received 80% of the kill points, he does not receive the kill statistic, why should I receive the death statistic, and the total cost of the repair?
The damage wasn’t even very harmful, just a brown stabilizer
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This is absolute nonsense and so poorly ideated.
Not only will games end with a bunch of slightly damaged players left (potentially on both sides at prop BRs due to ticket bleed) now ALL of those players are “dead”?
Neat.
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not arguing on any of you other points
but the Ka-52 could have likely flown faster if it wanted or with its ordinance, but i think the crew would like to have hte highest chance to make it back in one piece then push the helicopter that was critically damaged as it is still severe airframe damage, like an aircraft losing a part of its tail, with damage like that you just don’t push the aircraft beyond what you need to,
also not to mention that helicopters can really pitch up hard if they need to (you can see this by using sim controls with no SAS to see just how hard helicopters can pitch)
needing to remember a helicopter tilts by increasing and decreasing the pitch of the blades at it rotates to change the centre of lift relative to the centre of mass so yes the centre of mass will move massively forward but the centre of lift should be able to move forward enough to atleast counteract the weight of the tail, remembering all the truely heavy components (engines, fuel tanks) are still within the aircraft and that a fairly decent part of the tail section is still present, and with aircraft metals being so light the weight lost while not insignificant would likely still be within reason to think that the aircraft could compensate for the lost weight, as some aircraft can compensate for a lost wing with aileron input
The severe damage counts as kill message is too long and takes too much space on the screen. I’d revise it to say something less than 3 words or so
Two big things, and a recommended testing change:
For severe damage, it’d be nice to know when you’ve entered this state for maximum clarity. A new message in red in the location of the “High Speed, Retract Flaps” or over speed, or in the location of “Hold [J] to leave” would be nice. We could even modify the ejection message, like “Severe damage, eject from the aircraft with [J] or attempt to continue flying” (I’m sure someone could hash that out better).
I don’t like the player being considered dead when the plane is written off at the end of the match. Sure, bill me a full repair, but if I stayed in the air, I’m not dead dead. End of story. Tacking on a death at match end is the kind of blanket change that causes angry players and edge cases.
Considering how serious we’re considering “severe” damage to be, a plane in this state (with no forward momentum, or a missing wing, or no elevators, etc) will often resolve itself. It either crashes quickly from missing important pieces, or it does not and through skill and determination, the player remains aloft. These things figure themselves out pretty fast.
When in the severe damage state, players will likely try to return home, and if the match ends whilst they are returning, a full-cost repair is acceptable but counting a death seems a bit too far.
Also, as one of the very first messages stated, Korean-war era jets tend to face this issue the most, where the wing sweep is low, thrust is high, and a second wing becomes somewhat optional if flown carefully. Powerful cannons can also cleanly cleave wings, control surfaces, etc. allowing this to be tested without the effects of damage spread over the entire aircraft. Please make super-props (similar reason, even lower wing sweep) and early jets available in this mode, where the flying-while-dead is most common.
At the end of the day, “Severe Damage” is a rework and redistribution of rewards to give credit to players earlier. Even when a player was considered “dead” in the current system, a pilotsnipe would still reward an assist. This game mechanic, in essence, renames that behavior to try to take kill-stealing out of the equation.
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Yikes. More evidence for why these shouldn’t be counted as deaths, it’s a widespread change that hasn’t seen many edge cases to refine the ruleset. That would have been, under the pre-activity system, at most 1K SL of damage. Now it totals your plane and puts a death on your card. Not pleasant.
I’m personally happy to take the damage but let’s not count people as dead at match’s end with this system. Great example.
If you’re not “dead” dead, then you shouldn’t take on the full repair cost either though. At that point, you might as well as right it off as a total/full death then. This seems like it needs dynamic repair costs to be fully flushed out first before being added. For premium players, this isn’t so much a deal breaker because premium time covers repair costs. But if you’re someone who doesn’t have that, if the game isn’t officially registering you as dead, then why are you still getting a full death bill? That doesn’t seem right at all.
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Severely Damaged
Hold J to leave your aircraft
Hold J to leave your aircraft
we don’t need the ‘or attempt to continue’ part, as if someone will keep flying if they can like they do already, and Severely Damaged goes down better than Severe Damage
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This is where the issue with this game’s spaghetti math becomes really apparent. Because yeah, you really need dynamic repair costs to make this fair for all players. There would need to be either an overall tier system relative to the total amount of damage done to your plane (which would effectively be just a health bar) that would determine what amount you should be charged in terms of repairs. Or, there now needs to be a “slightly damaged, “ severely damaged”, and “destroyed” scale for every single module to be tallied up upon the match ending.
Forcing a player who was only severely damaged but didn’t actually get finished off or destroyed to eat a full repair cost and a death is just blatantly wrong. They should have to pay something to repair their aircraft (though personally, repair costs seem entirely pointless punishment in the first place but alas we have them), but if they weren’t totally destroyed, then it should match the amount of damage they received.
I was initially extremely skeptical of this mechanic, being worried it would reduce rewards overall and encourage kill stealing. However, it seems this is extremely well implemented, and actually a great addition!
I will say that I disagree with the removal of the damaged aircraft from the scoreboard when it repairs, I think that this unnecessarily shares intel with the enemy team.
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80% repair cost to match the 80% reward
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This sounds fantastic. Looking forward to testing it out!
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Cant wait to see players not stealing my kills…
I was honestly never a fan of that.
I think they should add an extension to either the killfeed or the battle log for things like that
Not severe damage?
If anything I should just lose access to my RWR, that’s pretty much it.
If I cut half the wing off of a plane that solely uses slats (MiG-27), is it severely damaged? No? It still has all of its control surfaces, it still flies. If anything, it’s worse than the Kamovs losing a tail.
“[…]if the game isn’t officially registering you as dead, then why are you still getting a full death bill?” (MokaMoki)
Very true, particularly in the above instance of that F-16 being written off for a single orange elevator. It doesn’t make sense and reads more as a way of taking players’ currency through gimmicky game mechanics.
You’re right, they should not be taking the full repair. I would be willing to put up with it because usually severe damage would be considered death in the old system (whether by imminent crash or dead-but-flying) but this is true, if a plane is only 80% damaged like they’re outlining in this new system, then we should only be paying fractional repair. This definitely requires the variable repair cost system to be in a state people are happy with.
“Severely Damaged Hold J to leave your aircraft” (Master_Teaz)
This works for me!
“80% repair cost to match the 80% reward” (WalletWorrier)
This probably makes the most sense, when you enter the severe category. Full destruction/pilotsnipe meaning the whole loss of the aircraft would be close to 100% or 100% repair cost. Still, don’t like the addition of a death arbitrarily at match’s end. If it flies, it flies. If we’re not giving the enemy the entire score, then we shouldn’t be entirely dead or paying the entire repair.
Though in the old system it definitely counted you as dead in certain zombie-plane cases, it’s just that you could repair at the airfield while dead, unless it was too severe. It really changes nothing except post-kill “assist” behavior, it’s just the odd side effect reimplementation of zombie fighters, now featuring a publicized incentive to finish them off.
Apologies for the weird looking quotes. I can’t multi-quote properly on mobile so this is the closest thing.