Yeah, and I find the AIM-7Cs meta. I don’t understand your problem either. /s
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Imagine, the way you guys are talking, it seems like this game is only playable with the Su-30SM2, but I can play well with several aircraft.
Do I need to prove again how wrong this is?
Seriously, to find the AIM-120A/B/-C-5/Ds maneuverabilty “acceptable” while complaining over the R-77-1s “issues” pretty much sums up the story and where the argument comes from.
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I’m not going to send an AIM-120 less than 3 to 4 km away, but technically you should be able to send an R-77-1 at that distance and hit it. Trying to make Fox3 a global universe already says a lot about your ability. An AIM-120 is not made for what an R-77-1 was made for, and so it goes
Jesus that’s barely anything. Good thing meteors didn’t come this update lmao
An AIM-9M does not pull any better than AIM-120s either. You’re telling me that within 4kms I have to go for guns while a soviet-based plane can just spam offbore R-77-1s/R-73s?
Great balancing.
lmao, so long for the “asymmetrical balance”. An AIM-120 not only is outmatched by R-77-1s below 20kms, it also pulls better and its faster. But yeah, call it “balanced” whereas you can easily notch beyond 20kms. You’re comparing the maneuverability of a thrown stick against an feathered arrow.
Semantics to excuse Gaijin’s poor modelling. Multiple reports are already made about it.
I already told you to stay away from balance conversations.
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It is impossible to balance something that has different creation philosophies; even with the most advanced American missile, it will not pull as many g’s as an R.77-
To gaijin that’s already settled. R-77-1s are objectively faster, pull better and has more energy than any AIM-120 variant at any conventional engagement range that goes within 5-25ish kms.
Oh man, I give up on AMRAAMs. R77, mica, and hopefully meteors will be the way to go in this game
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You are not wrong… ish…
Whilst R-77 should hold the advantage in WVR, AMRAAM should hold the advantage in BVR and with how they’ve modeled the seekers to be so weak… WVR performance usually always wins. If AMRAAM was stronger, up to IRL spec, it would perform way better at the slightly longer ranges where HOBS performance isnt necessarily important and its other strengths would be apparent. Take C5s for example, if range performance actually mattered, it wouldnt be considered the worst ARH at top tier
Though this is where the introduction of next gen IRs are really need as its the only meaningful way to balanace the issues of HOBS vs non-HOBS
And that’s the point, we’ve never asked for TVC levels of pull. But certainly 35Gs will definitely be enough at ±3-4kms to connect anything if its able to pull them at all.
Which only the AIM-120A/B iterations are able to do with enough initial energy.
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Even just C5 matching A/B performance would be a start
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We can argue, seeker, but the point is that the Russians are also screwed. I myself have already used up 12 R-77-1s on several Su-30s. It’s complicated.
even they normally cant pull anywhere near that, the most ive really seen them pull is 25 ish
The issue is that the AIM-120C5 performs less well at close range. The AIM-120C5 is designed to have a greater angle of attack at long ranges, due to the fact that the surfaces have been reduced in size.
Try with M1.7+, they definitely pull them with —as I said— enough energy.
The problem is, you’re barely ever going to hit M1.7 at a close range fight to begin with. That’s a white whale in modern Air top tier.
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not really, even then they dont seem to pull anywhere near the 35Gs they should
Yes, but at any “BVR” range, evne relatively short range, unless you are firing with a stupid amount of energy, with a carefully aimed shot so the AMRAAM doesnt have to do much adjustment, its stupidly easy to defeat, way too easy.
Meanwhile, ive seen R-77-1s fired from a flat spinning Su-30SM2 fired at extreme HOBS kill with ease, they can be a right bugger to defeat
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The solution may be to improve the seeker of the AIM-120s to benefit BVR, but they are afraid that people will not be able to dodge it.
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But had no such fear with the Rafale and MICA EM though, both one of the best performing missile in short range kinematics and the hardest of the seekers to defeat. Ontop of being one of the first to get ESA. Given how much its steamrolled the past year+, the solution seems really obvious to me, buff everyone elses missiles
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