The worst part is that in terms of aspects that matter for BVR there is not much that can be changed for the better. Yes, the PIDS pod would be of great help: MAWS + additional CMs would be useful, but the radar is probably as good as it can get. It’s simply limited by the F16s architecture, it doesn’t posses mechanical antenna guiding so it’s limited to only the current 60 degress. The Block 52 probably can’t mount the triple racks for the AIM-120s because it lacks the structural improvements of the newly-made F16Vs.
bruh
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Not only is a DOA addition (if its intended to go as a top tier contender), but its basically emasculated at short ranges with the three horsemen of no pull performance: AIM-9Ms/AIM-120C-5s/AIM-120Ds. AIM-120A/Bs would unironically help, but sure, whatever.
And again, Gaijin could’ve added the F-15E RMP or even the F-15EX—and they wouldn’t still be meta as they are already behind in FM against the EFs and Rafales for meta purposes—, but they instead decided to add a plane they’ll definitely boost an update later, just to add another DOA plane after it.
EDIT: just tested the F-15C GE with its starting loadout of AIM-120Ds + 9Ms on dev, and honestly Gaijin, at this point? Don’t even bother adding stuff to the US anymore, this is simply pathetic.
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“We know you guys are struggling and 120s are trash and even though its the US air tree we have yet to add an aircraft worthy of 14.7 but hey, we got ya some new LJDAMs”
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Every other tree has IR glide bombs or KH-38/Hammer, why in Gaijins infinite wisdom, is the US primary CAS weapon STILL the AGM-65? But hey, here’s 4 laser/gps guided bombs that were made irrelevant when the new AA’s got added months back. Not even kind enough to give us the LJDAM-ER on the F-16’s.
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Unfortunate that rank IX for the US consists of just DOA jets all around
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Just a medicore 13.7 with AESA slapped on top, and yet somehow it sits at a BR higher than mirages with micas.
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The Crazy part is this plane is legit just worse that if you gave the 13.7 F16C and AESA radar as its SLOWER and has HALF the countermeasures
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F-16 blk DoA with 120DoA
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Pretty much as 120D is nothing special.
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Its actually crazy. While yes data would be nice we are never going to get actual data for an in-service missile. I cannot believe even for the games sake which is not realistic at all cannot buff a few numbers like guidance delay or max fin AOA to make the missile slightly better. This game wants me to believe that from the first AIM-120A to the AIM-120D it has improved slightly in range and worse in ever other respect.
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JHMCS I is used on the legacy F-16s.
JHMCS II is very complex to install into older planes. It’s an entire system requiring a lot of rewiring inside the cockpit. It’s usually only done on newly built airframes like the F-15EX or F-16V. Scorpion was designed to be a plug and go HMD.
This is why A-10C, F-15C, F-16C, and even F-22 are all going with a Scorpion retrofit to replace the JHMCS I and not JHMCS II.
lmao…
I hate that dude… blatantly pro russia moderator. He should be fired
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The R-77-1 only has a more powerful engine; the rest has all the problems of the R-77.
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A powerful engine → more energy → better fin AOA acceleration (on a already good fin AOA missile) → better pull.
It doesn’t have “problems”.
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The only change remains the engine; the missile continues to suffer from the same problems: excessive drag, failure in very tight maneuvers, and low maneuverability when firing at less than 2 km. for a highly maneuverable missile like this one in the game
Let’s check them.
That’s unsolvable without updating the whole engine due to how the fins are modelled, there’s nothing they can do to fix it, and if they do while still keeping the AIM-120 series as trashy as they’re today, it would still prove their selective realism and how the game is tilting towards Russia with each patch, so no. Not an argument.
Excuse me? I thought that was the R-73, unless we’re now claiming every single Russian missile suffers from hypermaneuverability, which isn’t the case. And even then, they vastly outperform on pull against most of blufor ordnance at close ranges (AAM-4, AIM-120A/B/C-5/D, Derby).
USE R-73s. R-77-1s are even faster than AIM-120s within 20kms, what kind of skill issue is all this.
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So basically what you’re telling me is that the only advantage of the missile is its range and energy and good maneuverability, right?
If that isn’t enough for you, I don’t know which missile will do the trick.
Fakour 90s? Phoenixes? Because the R-77-1 is as good as you can get out there for missile tech (except for the R-27ERs kinematics).
Great instantaneous pull, clearly above average (only beaten by the MICA), decent to good energy overall, and fast.
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Imagine, what you’re telling me in general terms, I find in the AIM-120C-5 and AIM-120D, excellent energy retention, good engines, acceptable maneuverability, I don’t understand the problem. (the only problem I have in the short term is close maneuverability)