Decompressing Battle Ratings for Top Aircraft and Accompanying Changes to Stock Weapons

Well, I like the news about decompressing the battle ratings but, it we a running with a lack of informations, since Top Tier jets will be raised to 13,7 but as an examples, take the Tier 11 for analysis:

Most of the nations have F4 and MiG-21 at this line, but looking at United States Tech Tree, at 11,7 we got the F-14 that have monstrosity missile gap between the other planes at the same tier.

So, as far I see, even decompressing, the queue will still be unbalanced with 90% players using USA aircrafts.

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What’s with Kurnass 2000 moving to 12.3 with only python 3s and netz moving to 13.0 with only python 3s and yet F5E FCU with python 3s stays goes to 11.3?

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The FCU is likely a mistake.
Us bringing it up + them re-reading what wrote will likely have it move up.
Kurnass 2000 is already a bit OP, especially after the countermeasure changes.

12.3 is equivalent to it being 11.7 in the current system, which it honestly should be as a player that uses it.
Now, whether that’s compressed for it or not time will tell.

Mirage 2000 DR1 should be 12.0 instead of 12.3, it doesn’t have 530D/F, so it should not have the same BR as S4/5

Mirage F1CT should have the same BR as F1, it just has better RWR, and without R530E, and the type should be Attacker instead of fighter jets

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Reminder F-4F Early which doesn’t have CMs sitting at 10.7.

idk about F8E but SMT/MF is undertiered.

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Um…


F-8E has better missiles and dogfights far better.

so… The F-104S and F-104G get the same BR is ARB, but the F-104G is 10.0 in GRB while the F-104S stays at 11.0? What on earth makes the F-104S so much better at ground attack that it’s an entire BR level above the F-104G, not to mention above the likes of the AMX.

While we’re talking about the F-104, why is the F-104A (and C) not moving up? they are some of the most broken planes in the game.

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Cool but has active radar homing missiles tracking through terrain, buildings, and trees been fixed yet?

What makes you say Kurnass 2000 is OP right now? It does perform well for 11.3, but the update seemed to have made the external countermeasure pod flare-only, and that paired with the lack of SARH missiles makes it hard to fight something like the mirage 2000c-s5 at any range, when the mirage has a much better airframe and has actual radar missile offerings going to 12.3. I’m not sure what should be done with the kurnass 2000, but moving it to 12.3 is probably not going to be fair.

I like the person who is picky


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It’s a mach 1.15 sea level jet with 290 countermeasures, and 6x Python 3s.

@YUi_Takamura
Oh, you meant it can’t take a singular 530E on its central pylon when it has radar missiles equipped?
F-1C can’t have more than 4 IR missiles equipped at a time due to memory limitations.

I personally don’t see the point if you can clarify further.
I don’t see a singular extra pulse missile on the center pylon, or a singular IR missile on the center pylon, as a bonus.

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While I’m sure we all appreciate the fact you’re looking to make life a bit easier with this decompression, there are some fundamental aspects that seem to have gotten lost here.

Moving a bunch of planes up in BR by 1, 2 or 3 steps doesn’t necessarily fix the balancing.

What I think we’re after is something that makes a bit more sense.

For example:

  • flareless planes only facing early missiles
  • all-aspect carrying planes facing planes that can pop flares and defend themselves
  • planes with strong SARH missiles facing planes with chaff
  • ARH carrying planes only facing other ARH planes

While a level of historic accuracy, like the F-14A facing mig-21s, makes some sense, hamstringing certain planes and players doesn’t make for good gameplay.

There will be some asymmetric match-ups - the A-10A, Su-25, Harrier and Yak-38 will have trouble against similar planes of their level, but they have their upsides as well, and therefore should face peer adversaries, not flareless aircraft with Aim-9Bs or R-3s.

An F-4C facing off against an A-10 or an AMX is just rough. The F-4 can’t flare the all-aspect missiles these attackers have, can’t hit them with its own missiles, as a single flare or chaff drop will spoof the missile, leaving only the guns - it would have to sneak up on these other planes to have a chance.

Similarly, The F-4EJ Kai will be pulled up into Fox-3 13.7 fights - it has no chance. Dropping it to 12.3 or 12.0 will at least give it a fighting chance.

We appreciate you looking into decompression, but I think I speak for many when I ask - decompress based on the plane and its abilities, not on the stats it has.

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Ok and? its going to suffer exactly the same as the F-4C is without flares at 10.7

The difference is the F-4C can have that issue solved by changing it to an F-4D, giving it 9Js and CMs

Under tiered in what way exactly? It has great flight performance sure but the F-8E honestly isn’t that far off and also has arguably better missiles

Only by range.

F-4C was already capable into chaff/flare pod and 9J as i know.

What I mean is that the F1C can carry an additional R530E/530 on its central, you see in my second picture the F1C can carry one more missile.

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MiG-29 (9-12A), MiG-29(9-12B), MiG-29 (9-13) and MiG-29G lose R-27ER/R-27ET & R-27ER1/R-27ET1.

6x R-60 replace by R-73 & R-73E on MiG-29 (9-12A), MiG-29(9-12B) and MiG-29 (9-13)

Add AIM-9L on F-4M Phantom FGR.2 but would be 11.7 BR

At 11.3 before JA37D if add Rb 74 on JA37C

Won’t change BR and not add AIM-9P-4 on F-4EJ and F-4EJ ADTW

2x AIM-7 replace by 6x AIM-120B and add AIM-9L/I-1 but change to 13.3 BR

Add AIM-9M on F-16A ADF (USA) and increase lock range AIM-7M Sparrow 40 → 65km if change to 12.7 BR. but not F-16A Block 10 (USAF) and F-16A Block 10 Netz from Israel

Up to BR 12.7 and add 4x RB 99 on JA37D

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Problem is 10.x is still compressed and some undertiered planes doesn’t get substantial BR changes.

F-4C with AIM-9J + AIM-7E-2 is equal to F-4F Early which has better engine and airframe.

It is fair in light of the fact that 10.7s will face against attacker variant of the Tornados in the uptier games.

IMO MiG-23ML/MLD and Tornado F.3 should have same BR with Phantoms which has PD radar and decent SARH missiles but, it is offtopic.

SMT/MF has really good top speed and it is still manuverable even they gets FM nerfs.

Since MiG-21bis going up to 11.3BR, SMT/MF should be 11.0.

now decompress ground please, atleast fix the 10.0 black hole for GRB

Revert the Air RB battle rating raises for the A-7D/E and also please put them BEFORE the A-10 Late in the tech tree.

Other than overall top speed and some extra TV-guided GBU bombs, the A-7s are worse in almost every aspect regarding maneuverability, flare/chaff count, main-gun firepower, worse missiles and RWR.

A-10s are much more effective in Air RB than the A-7s IMO.

You are more than two times faster than poor frogfoots which both Su25T & the prem. One will be 11.7, stop crying.