F-4C going to 10.7 is CRIMINAL without flares.
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The F-104 is catching strays over here. It’s already bad where it’s at, why move it up to match. It will continue to stay bad.
F-104G Germany/China/France gets 4 AIM 9Js.
The F-104S/TAF gets 6 AIM 9Js, or 4 AIM 9Js and 2 AIM 7Es.
The F-104G Italy gets 2 AIM 9Js.
All of those planes have effectively identical flight performance and similar radar. But they have seriously different loadouts, why are they all being moved to the same BR? And why is that BR 11.3? They’re already all bad at their current BRs. Moving them up just keeps them bad.
The ASA is also currently getting blasted at 11.3. It is not competitive. Yes it gets 4 AIM 9Ls or 2 Ls and 2 aspides. But the radar cone is super small 116 x 4. 4 degrees. Finding a target to lock is literally like finding a needle in a haystack. On top of that, it’s now currently facing 12.3 harriers with AIM-120s. The RWR on the ASA is useless, it does nothing. How is it supposed to fight AIM-120s if
- you can’t tell anything about what’s locking you
- you don’t even know where you’re being locked from
The whole point of decompression is to separate planes that can’t compete with each other (see ASA at 11.3 and AV-8B+ at 12.3). But you’re moving the ASA to 12.0 and the av-8b+ to 13.0. So we’re solving nothing here? On a plane that’s already performing awful and needs to be given some help by decompression, you’re just gonna not decompress it?
Just weird man, what’s the point of decompression if you’re not actually decompressing? And why are we further compressing the 104Gs and 104Ss?
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Ask that for J32B, G.91YS, Shenyang F-5, Hunter FGA.9, Hunter F.6(UK), Harrier GR.1, F3H.
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BTW, Why MiG-21MF/SMT going up to 10.7 instead 11.0?
When MiG-21MF/SMT was implemented in the game, F-4C wasn’t good counterpart because of R-60s.
F-4E/EJ which didn’t have any SARHs at that time was decent counterpart of MF/SMT but, it was bit unfair because they didn’t have flares.
Now, MF/SMT has CM launchers so, I don’t see any problems for moving up to 11.0BR since 21bis going up to 11.3BR and F-4F which doesn’t have SARH missiles is 11.0.
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Increasing their BR anymore warrants a buff to them the only way they’ll go up a notch in BR is if F-14A gets 9Ls and F-14B gets 9Ms.
Belgian f-16A don’t have aim7
Poor F-4EJ Kai and F-104S.ASA really got screwed over, same with the strike tornados being a higher br in air just because they’re tech tree.
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F-14A/B don’t need to go up tho?
J-7E should be moved up further, there is no way that it should stay so far down especially with the new decompression. There’s nothing in or around its current BR range that can competently kill it.
Also, shouldn’t F-4E receive some weapons upgrades if it’s going to 11.3? Some AIM-9Ls and AIM-7Fs would be appreciated.
I can finally play 9.3 air without fighting f-5cs. Amazing
The main feature of the C is smokeless motor and better inertial guidance
G91Y uses F-5C engines and can climb quickly initially in the match.
Especially since the minimum BR for radar missiles is moving to 10.7, that means in the context of A-10A, it is immune from its missiles when played correctly. There is nothing A-10A can do against transonic aircraft that climb.
J32B, Harrier GR1, and F3H are all transonic aircraft with best-in-class climb rates that far exceed the P51H5NA performance of A-10 [P-51 dogfights better than A-10 tho, by far].
I haven’t flown the Hunters in a while, but last I did their climb rate was above 50.
9L only has a ~2km range going from below.
As for Su-25, that’s going to the BR A-10A Late, will of course remain a threat in headons for some of these aircraft.
I have no counter against Su-25s in my toolbelt at this time, so I cannot comment further other than acknowledging your point that they are a threat.
For your other post:
Mig-21MF and SMT are F-5Cs in dogfight capability after the nerf. Coincidentally, Mig-21MF dogfights ever so slightly better than SMT ever since the major update went live, and both worse than prior.
F-4F is superior to Mig-21MF, firing a better missile on a better airframe.
F-4C should be 10.3, but Mig-21MF and SMT should not be the same BR as F-4F.
You mean the Mig-21F-13 with better engine/wings and Magic 1 equivalent missiles?
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AIM-9Ls would make the F-4E ~12.3: Kurnass 2000.
Move the F-14s up warrants a buff along side that pal.
Nobody would like that. Terrible take.
You could bump them up by a notch but buff them to be realistic
Reminder 9.7 subs still face against A-6E that is also AIM9L carrier but ways faster than A10.
I played FGA.9 and F.6 before major updates but, it was painful to play unless you fly as super passive like rat because of all aspect carriers.
F-5A/F-5C which is really decent at 10.3BR will going up to 11.0BR btw
F-4C should go 10.3 instead 10.7, it’s same to F-105D
Attacker Tornados have no business going up like that.
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Fair point with the A-6.
As for F-5C, its airframe is still overperforming.
Here, I’ll get you info on current sustained turn rate.
Mig-21MF: 11.7.
F-5C: 14.2.
Yeah… F-5C is officially superior to Mig-21MF and SMT by far since last major update.