It is very strong as it stands even with 9D. You have to reckon that missile is not the only thing that values an aircraft, if F8E can outmatch F5 in terms of agility then it should not sits on a lower br
Please don’t forget giving 9m’s to the Taiwan F16mlu as well.
Especially since they were exported with 9ms BEFORE 9Ls…
- A suffering china air player
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I guess F-4C should gets AIM9J and AIM7E2 loadouts since it will move up to higher BR.
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It should get CMs if it going to 10.7 honestly
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These sorts of changes usually get feedback (happening now), simmer for about a week, and then an updated list is published, then implemented a few days later. This is an extraordinary round of BR changes, though, so it might deviate from the norm.
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It didn’t gets CMs historically as far as I know.
It was not until the F-4D that Air Force model F-4s began receiving the ALE-40.
I mean… there are a few planes that never had CMs historically that got them for balance so
A thing people have been talking about for a while on the forums and discord and something i agree with is that the F-4C should be turned into the F-4D and given better weapons and CMs.
Its not that hard of a change for gaijin to do either so…
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F-4D was basically F-4C airframe with F-4E loadouts so, it would be going up to higher BR even more like 11.0.
As long as the BRs of the F-4C and the F-4F Early without CM are same, it is more fair to give the F-4C the AIM9J and DF Sparrow.
Phantoms somehow remaining within 9M brackets whilst having only 9G’s themselves is still EXTREMELY questionable, the decompression just kept a lot of these things the absolute same. Why not give the Phantoms at least 9L’s to have some chance against 9M slingers? With 60 countermeasures you waste half your pops on a single missile since the flight performance requires way more flaring to get out of the missile’s FoV. Everything carrying 9M’s, R-73’s and ARH missiles should be out of gen 3 brackets.
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The F-104S.ASA does NOT belong at 12.0. It has no directional RWR and cannot notch incoming SARH/ARH missiles because you have no idea where they are. With multipathing no longer being an effective counter, you have absolutely no options for survival.
You cannot even carry your own SARH missiles unless you remove your gun and 2 of your AIM-9Ls, and you only get 2 of the worst performing SARH missiles at the BR range. The rest of your loadout consists of the remaining 2 AIM-9Ls. Your opponents are in superior (and faster) airframes with IRCCM missiles, far better SARH missiles, and even ARH missiles.
Please do not move the aircraft to 12.0, it is not even close to comparable to 11.7 aircraft like the MiG-23MLs and Tornado ADV, let alone 12.0s.
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Not just in regards to full downtiers, 9M carriers being at 13.0, the same BR as many vehicles they were previously well above in BR, is just downright cruel. This list is giving space for decompression, but the way it’s going, it seems to actually further compress in certain areas.
Just throwing it out there. The BTR-80A is definitely not a 7.3 vehicle. Its at least a 6.3 on a good day on a good match, but not a 7.3.
AV8B’s going to suffer constant uptiers against gripens now? RIP
AND the j35XS from 10.7 to 11.3? THAT THING IS ALREADY TRASH 😭
So easy to kill with any plane that has semi-decent missiles it’s crazy. Now 11.3? And not to mention the poor F14A and B balancing… The hell were you smoking, gaijin? Cause as usual I want some of that shi’
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This topic is about decompression in AAB, ARB, and AEC. They aren’t considering ground at the moment, and that includes deferring any changes to the BR of air vehicles in ground battles.
Ahhhh yes A6 Tram to 10.7… that way you’re sure to die to a radar missile instead of only a slight chance. Seriously it’s a subsonic bomber that can carry Aim9Ls why 10.7
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In all fairness i dont think giving it CMs and better AAMs will make it F-4E tier. as the F-4E still has agile eagle and better air to ground weaponry. (the latter being one of the reasons its higher)
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Holy shit, is the F104 going to 12.0? No way man, they must be joking with that one 😭
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K, didnt read close enough. This 7.3 shits got me heated. +The Mods wont even let me make a Topic so kind of have to do it where I can.
That’s why F-4D would be 11.0 since F-4E going up to 11.3
As great as this looks at first, your table needs MAJOR work. Examples:
F-104S ASA is higher than MiG-23ML because yeah screw italy
China F-5A should go to 11.0 and not 11.3. It is just an F-5C with a bit better AAM.
J-11/Su-27S being higher than AV-8B makes no sense. They cannot contest FOX-3 carriers.
Why is F-16AJ 12.7 while other sparrow F-16 are 13.0 now?
sad F-4C sounds
F-4EJ Kai does not need to be same BR as a VASTLY superior F-16A. F-4EJ Kai to 12.3 instead.
Italy F-104G is worse than the French and German ones. Should be lower BR in return.
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