There’s also the FCU ans the normal 5E being the same br LMAO
2024
people still argue with RazerVon
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There are so many bullshit changes in this sheet hopefully they get changed
-F5Es got to 11.3 from 10.7 while having 2 missiles, while F5E FCU with 4 missile and all are better then the F5Es also goes to 11.3. Hello???
-F4C to 10.7, 0.7 up while Su25/K go only 0.3 up with way better ordinance and IR missiles
-F4EJ KAI moving 1 whole br up while not changing its armament and putting it closer to 13.7 then it is rn to 13.0
-FG1 and FGR2 same br as Tornado F3??? F3 has better missiles (Ir and radar) and 4 BOL rails???
-MiG29A and Yak141 and 16AJ lower then all other F16As???
-F4F ICE same br as MIG29SMT???, while SMT is lightyeara better
This sheet tells me you guys dont play your game
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The only way ejkai(that has a worse flight perfomance than F-4E) to be comparable to F-14B is if gaijin is finally adding to it the AAM-3 and AAM-4(which i doubt at least for the AAM-4 since gaijin is also moving F-4F ice to 13.3 and even AAM-4’s at the present moment being way worse than AIM-120 i don’t think they’re worse enough to guaranteed a reduction in Br of almost 1.0, maybe can be possible if they’re also taking in account that the F-4Ejkai flies worse than the Ice but i doubt)
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Any experienced player who values balance will understand the importance of this upgrade. It’s ridiculous to use a NERFED airplane like the Mig-23ML with mediocre missiles and have to deal with AIM-120A from an AV-8 or AIM-54 from an F-14B, there’s no justice in that. It’s simply ridiculous.
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While Production F-4EJ Kai never received the AAM-4, we could get the F-4EJ Kai ADTW with MAWS (same as M2K) and perhaps XAAM-4, since it was tested on ADTW according to some sources, as well as other additional experimental armament. I’ve already created a Suggestion, though its still pending.
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cant believe gaijin dont know any in their game, is full of jokes in this list, hope gaijin work better in next list
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Can we please remove R-27ER/ET from USSR/Chinese aircraft and just give them R-27R/T now? Mig-29 and YAK 141 could get R-73 as well. Then their BR could be lowered to be on par with their NATO counterparts.
It would be a kill two birds with one stone solution. More balanced opponents for '80s NATO jets, and less FOX-3 suffering for previously mentioned flanker/fulcrums.
Ideally, there would be a BR lock or more decompression between AMRAAM/ALAMO carriers and the FOX-1 planes too.
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Tthere is no need to increase the b.r. a7d and a-5c, because they have only 2 rear-mounted missiles like the AV-8c, which still has b.r. 9.7, and a bunch of flares in addition
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the general intention of these changes are good, but the suggested implementation is lackluster.
as others have pointed out, a max BR of 14.0 would be needed to properly decompress the whole BR range from 10.0-13.0 right now, regardless of that, there is some really not well thought through BR changes in that list.
things like the F-4C’s going to 10.7, some of the worser jaguars going to 10.7, some of the jet bombers, the sea harrier FRS.1 from 10.7 directly to 11.3, the Phantom FG/FGR/J’s going from 11.3 directly to 12.0 while things like the phantom E go from 11.0 to 11.3 doesnt seem to be logical in that change.
in these kind of changes, an approach with smaller increments of BR changes at first would have been a better change, then seeing how the planes perform at those BR’s and adjust afterwards.
some of these changes seem a bit excessive in their BR raise.
Terrible take.
The idea of decompression is nice and the added br’s are nice
Here’s my issues with it
F-16AJ is 12.7 despite being better then all the other F-16As at 13.0 (excluding the Belgian f-16A)
F-16A Belgian should be 13.3 due to having irccm while the others all have 9L or python 3
Su-25sm3 is being moved up to 12.3 in air despite having worse a2a capability then the Su-25bm at 11.3 (SU-25T and SU-39 should also be 11.3 because they have the same exact air to air capability as the BM but 11.7 isnt as egregious)
JH-7A going to 12.3 despite being only marginally better then the F5E FCU (11.3) in a2a
F-5E base and F5E FCU are the same br
Kurnass 2k is 12.3 while the other phantoms of the same weight class are 12.0 (having 6 all aspect IR missiles does not make up for losing 2 missiles and SARH’s)
F4C to 10.7 (Just make it the F4B at this point so it can have flares and better missiles if it has to move up, it as already not good at its br before)
F-105 to 10.3 (another plane that was not good at its br before)
Mirage 5BA is worse then the Mirage IIIE, it should stay 10.3 if the Mirage IIIE goes to 10.7
F-104G (with flares) should not be at the same br as the F-104S which greatly outclasses it in pretty much every way
This one is more of an opinion then a poor choice, but the A7 corsair IIs should stay at their current brs instead of all being moved 1 notch up
Another opinion is that the F-14s should be moved up another notch since they’re an oppressive aircraft at their br due to the multipathing changes
(Edit->) TL:DR
Dont put aircraft variants that are better at the same or lower br
Dont make certain strike aircraft unplayable in air (pretty much all the 11.0+ ones and certain ones below) by giving them unreasonably high br
And dont push up flare less jets that were bad at their original br to a higher one (F-105 and F4C)
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This is not all encompassing this is what i’ve noticed personally, there’s probably more such as the F4F and F4F early being the same br I missed
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Real take
POV: Your devs look at statistics without playing the game
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You would be in a very small minority in that opinion then, the F1C’s RWR is not precise but it does everything you need an RWR to do, it tells you when something is launched at you, roughly where it’s coming from, and it covers both I and J bands, the two that are used for aircraft radars in the game. It would not be worth losing the gun even if it were the same BR, especially since DEFAs are already not the best.
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Hypothetically, it could possibly use the same ALE-37 CM pod as the AV-8A (frankly all the Harrier Is and Sea Harriers should get it, even if ahistorical). The ALE-37 was supposedly designed to work with any and all NATO-standard pylons
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HUGE W in my opinion. These are some much much needed changes. Hopefully we can continue to see these kinds of changes in the future both with air and ground.
Some things worth checking into:
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The F-4EJ Kai is going to be the same BR as the F-16AJ for some reason (12.7). The F-16AJ is also lower than its compatriots (the F-16A ADF and F-16A MLU). Either the F-16A ADF and MLU need to join the AJ at 12.7, or the AJ needs to come up, or the EJ Kai needs to go to 12.3 (alongside the F-14A).
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The Gripen A, MiG-29G, and F-15A/Js are now the same BR as the F-16A ADF and MLU (13.0). Either the F-16A ADF and MLU need to get their AIM-9Ms, or the F-15A/J, MiG-29G, and Gripen-A need to go up to 13.3, or the F-16A ADF and MLU need to go down to 12.7.
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Somehow the F-8E is going to 10.7 but the F-8U is staying 10.0 when they are nearly identical. The F-8U is definitely somewhat worse than the F-8E, but the F-8U definitely should go up to 10.3 at least.
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The F-5E FCU will now be the same BR as the F-5E and F-5A/E (China) (11.3). Unless these planes are getting their AIM-9Ls, I see no reason for them to be the same BR when the FCU has such a superior loadout (2x AIM-9J/Ps versus 2x AIM-9P-4s + 2x Python-3s). The F-5E FCU should be 11.7 instead of 11.3 like the rest of the F-5Es.
Edit: Also, I am not entirely sure why we aren’t just moving up to 14.0. Give the F-16A ADF/MLU their AIM-9Ms and put them at 13.0, but also move the Gripen-A and F-15A up to 13.3. At the same time, move the new 13.7s up to 14.0 and the MiG-29SMT up to 13.7. The F-15A, Gripen-A, and Su-27 should all be 13.3, and to give those non-Fox-3 carriers some room we need 14.0.
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Literally nothing but expanding to 13.7 here makes any sense at all. It’s absolutely embarrassing if you ask me. Makes it blatantly obvious they have no idea how top tier air RB actually plays in reality. This has to have been done by AI, there is no way anyone that plays this game regularly signed off on this mess.
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These 2 planes have a gun, and can actually turn and constantly force headons. they are not equavalents to the Bucc
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Harrier Gr.1 would like a word