soviet ATGMs have extremely bad BRs: 1200mm tandem ATGM at 9.7? tandem ATGM/HE-VT ATGM at 8.7?
here’s my opinion about BR (where that ATGM launchers should go):
Shturm-S = 9.3
Object 775 = 10.3
Khrizantema-S = 12.0
if Gaijin decides to put another ATGM launcher, like the 9P149 with the 9M120 Atakas, it could be at 11.3 so every single russian main has its ATGM launcher in his very requested BR.
I don’t even need to look at your stats to know you’ve never even touched them.
ATGMs are a straight up liability at the tier. Yes, they have impressive amounts of pen, however contemporary rounds are also completely able to deal with anything you see frontally, even in uptiers, without being held back by the terrible ATGM guidance and the slow travel time.
It’s particularly bad for the Soviet examples, because unlike other high BR ATGM vehicles like the AFT and M901, the sight is on the hull, not the launcher. This means you always need to expose at least a portion of your hull to fire, and since the missile is massively above the sight it easily overcorrects and slams into stuff while it’s guiding to the target. Also, 5 degrees of gun depression, making most ridgeline spots unusable.
There is not a single scenario where I’d prefer a Khrizentema over a BMD. Hell, even a BMP-3 is more flexible.
have you ever looked into the reasons why these are the BR they are?
hint: they would suck ass at the BRs you have put them at
Khriz has a gigantic learning curve, and really helps to have 3rd party sight to use it. It still is made of paper, can mg the missiles etc. You have to put in a lot of hours to make it work well, and even then.
Object 775 those missiles have awful post pen
Shturm is the only one I could even see an argument for moving it up at all.
Also none of these get scouting I don’t think like the weasel. Scouting is pretty much the strongest mechanic in the entire game right now, hate it.
Meanwhile, the argument against:
The AFT-09 is at 9.0. Under what possible circumstances would someone play the Sturm over the AFT? Outside of acting as a knockoff Roland 1 against helicopters.
AFT is actually quite busted, lol. Like other variants the French’s Mephisto has weaker ammo, they are the same platform. These are also the only ATGM carriers that could defeat APS due to their ability to fire multiple missiles in quick succession.
I haven’t played it, but from an outside perspective, the AFT seems to be the only dedicated ATGM carrier worth playing at this point. It’s got tandem missiles meaning you don’t have to worry about ERA, the sight’s right next to the missiles, meaning the guidance isn’t quite as wonky, and the launcher itself is a much smaller target than the MEPHISTO or M901, meaning it’s nowhere near as conspicuous or easy to hit.
Hell to the no, have you even touched a ATGM slinger; from any nation?
Khrizantema-S at battle rating 12.0 is laughable. If you say so that you love Russian vehicles you must be doing something most people didn’t noticed to have it alongside with others ATGM launchers a battle rating change.
AFT09 in my opinion, between all anti-tank dedicated vehicles deserves a battle rating increase due to how it can be played, it doesn’t require much of the player, it’s based on a fast platform and the missiles is one of the best if not the best at its battle rating range,
The only issue is the armor of the platform and launcher handling (horizontal and vertical guidance speeds and limits) which presents to be a huge disadvantage for this vehicle in specific.
This is probably the funniest one.
I would mind the Khrizantema less if it didn’t ahistorically slash through my Merkava Mk.4’s in the thickest armored locations. Trophy doesn’t even work at all right now, and even when it did, it still cuts straight through the damn thing often.
Dose anybody even play those things anymore? I haven’t seen them in ages, the only atgm carriers I see are the Wesel 1A2 and the occasional Mephisto
With so many IFVs with near as good ATGMs and auto cannons being added the pure ATGM carriers as mostly redundant as the IFVs have only slightly worse atgms in exchange for far more versatility in armour and auto cannons.
Is that an issue with the missile or the armour though? How long has Trophy been broken now? Gaijin needs to get their bug fixers moving.
To be fair, the kriz’s radar is fkin amazing.
Sees through smoke, tracks moving targets etc. it’s awesome and it could probably stand to move up a bit. I don’t think it would make much difference to the vehicle itself tbh.
Chuckled a bit.
775 is apparently just as capable as a t80ud
Object is fairly popular, i see it regularly in my US 8.7. Shturm or Krizantena less so but i do run them in one or two if the map is open enough.
IT-1s on the other hand, those i see regularly
HAhahahhahaha…
Hope you first play those before talking.
Biggest downside is all soviet ATGM launchers need direct hit. Unlike Tow 2B types what just explodes over that tank what is in cover, and those things doesnt got scouting, unlike weasel what is sitting in 9.7 also.
So nope, you are delusional on this proposal
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Have you ever tried the tow-2b? It’s nerfed into the ground and pretty much doesn’t work.
I removed them from my desert warrior (not that I bother with that thing really, they really, really screwed it over with the apfsds they gave it sadly)
Yeah, works wonders especially on aa’s and every light rat camping behind hill etc.
I mainly hunt bigass radars spinning on enemy spawn on those.
True, they are unreliable against mbt’s, but still usually cripples em by damaging breech.
But still better vs just direct aimed , when you cant pen Top tier leos on hulldown even on 1200 pen tandem if it hits on cheeck , and quite often it still ends up same thing just taking breech out (or gun) and if lucky commander.
I’ve tried them and for something that can damage enemies that are fully behind cover, I’ll say they work decent enough, same for Spikes.