Decompress Ground and move Pansir to 12.3 (at least)

As the title suggests, Gaijin should decompress ground battles. Although some jet BR changes are debatable, the decision to decompress air was the right one. Now, ground battles need the same treatment, especially due to the 10.0 - 10.3 black hole, which makes 9.0 - 9.3 unplayable due to constant uptier. Another issue is the undertiered Pantsir, which shits on all aircraft and is unmatched by any other nation’s AA. With its 8 AA missiles, best range, auto guidance system, and TWS, the Pantsir is clearly a 12.3 BR AA (atleast). It’s ridiculous that it was added at 11.7 and has stayed there for so long. Russia should have the Tor instead, and the Pantsir should never have been added at such a low BR. There has been so many complaint regarding the pansir and Gaijin still did nothing and thinks that its balanced.
“Just don’t fly straight bro” “uhmmm actually it have range of only like 9km☝️ 🤓”
Yeah, yeah, skill issue. The Pantsir can stay in the game, but 11.7 is way too low of a BR. The Pantsir forces you to immediately go defensive once you spawn in a plane, which no other AA can do. If you’ve played enough top-tier, you know it’s an easy CAS win if Russia is on your team because there’s no Pantsir on the enemy side, and other AA pose no threat whatsoever. This should NOT be the case but Gaijin thinks it’s fair and did’t do anything to balance this at all.
Other issue like aim-120 shitting on other missiles and it got nerfed withing 2-3 weeks of release and Gaijin did’t do anything about pansir at all. lol?

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Another skill issue thread. CAS is already too powerful, we don’t need to nerf SPAAs. I agree that ground needs a BR decompression but the Pantsir is definitely not undertiered.

And the AMRAAM nerf wasn’t even that bad, its still easily a top 3 missile.

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“pansir not undertiered” bro have you tried other AA in other nation? its utterly useless and can not fight long range air-to-ground at all. Pansir, on the other hand, are more than capable of fighting top tier CAS.

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I have the ADATS and the Flarakrad. What we need is better AA for other nations, the Pantsir is fine.

Also you do know that Mavericks w/ TGP can lock targets as far as 10km right? The Pantsir doesn’t have much defense against a Maverick because it doesn’t have smoke. Its also a massive truck so trying to reposition or hiding is difficult.

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yea AA is very lacking in other nation except russia.
And no Mavericks are not effective against Pansir. It’s very slow and take a solid minute to get to target if you launch from ~15km away. A minute that pansir can easily intercept your mavericks. I always need to launch 2-4 Mavericks at a single pansir to kill it if they know how to play pansir correctly. Other AA is easy kills. Not very fair.

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  1. Mavericks are FnF, as soon as you launch them you can immediately defend
  2. A Pantsir intercepting your Mavericks mean the Pantsir is using up its limited missile supply, its not so easy to resupply as a massive truck.
  3. Yea other nations are lacking in AA but again, the solution is to give them better AA options, not to nerf the Pantsir.
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Pantsir still hasn’t fragged me in any CAS aircraft I didn’t fly like a drone, so no.
CAS should not remain unkillable at the top end.

If you have Pantsir, you’re more than welcome to challenge me in a custom match.
You will fail though, as everyone has previously.

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Currently broken. Pantsir can not engage a few targets at once….again broken

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K/D against ground 1-2 lol

Don’t be offended. Every time I see statements like thia, I go to look at statistics. Only once did I see a player with K/D 7.
I was looking for such players to study their tactics.

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This Is why more than moving the pansir up gaijin should give more powerful spaa to the Nations that Need them. This and move down the otomatic in br.

Maybe because Gajin balances after facts and (luckily) not from whining on the forums:



The USSR is one of the most air active countries. It does not play against itself, but constantly plays against e.g. non-flying Germany. Not surprisingly, the pantsir has fewer possible targets than e.g. the Flarak.

And looking for average kd on thunder skill is absurd. The values there are too unrealistic.

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New trick for pantsir by the way. It’s very comfortable. You don’t even have to look at the radar now to find a target.

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Pansir is a very solid AA and can stand it’s ground against top tier CAS while other top tier AA doesn’t even come close, my issue is the Pansir being so much better while sitting a the same BR as other AA that are obviously worse. Straight up unfair.

Another reason why US ground is losing so bad at top tier is also due to severe lack of capable AA (US doesn’t even have top tier AA). And so there is no counter to Su-25SM3 spam at all. They can just spawn in, dump all their missile and turn back before even getting into range of nato AA, very balanced. Pansir on the other hand, forces you to go on defense right on the moment you spawned.

F-16 SMARAAM GO….best SPAA

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What? Battles are winning by tanks. Not by planes, not by helicopters, not by spaas. (best tanks has Sweden btw).
Usa loosing due to hordes of noobs on premium click-baits.

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~550 SP (F16/F15) vs 90 SP (Pansir)

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Since AIM120 SU25SM3 is barely playable but ok.

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Skill issue, the only argument is a single SPAA begin “undertiered” when it’s one of the few capable that can counter the absurd CAS capabilities in ground battles.

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