For the love of god decompress this area! Why are we facing stabilized, laser range finding, dart firing tanks EVERY BATTLE?!?!?
God forbid someone actually enjoy playing certain vehicles without a full disadvantage every game!
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Gaijin doesn’t do that whole “decompression” thing
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LRF and dart i can accept but fighting tank with stab is such a big disadvantage especially when most match u get is CQC urban combat.
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China is good at 8.0, aye. You didn’t even mention the best part - WZ305. So they get the whole Type69 with the stab, lrf, all that good stuff. And then they HE-VT your butt if you do make it up into the air. And some people refuse to even try the Chinese tree. Lol, their loss.
That sure is one of the problematic BRs. 8.3 tanks are way better than 8.0 usually, and 9.0 are CRAZILLY better, its literally unplayable to some extent
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Agree. Add here that 8.0 always play vs 8.7-9.0 and it’s unplayable.
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You should see what the French 8.7 lineup is like.
Literally none of the 5 have a stab
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Isn’t the mephisto stabilized but can’t fire on the move
actually yeah,but all your actual tanks are fully unstable, not only by lacking a stab but also by having just overall awful gun handling and on the move stability as well
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you should see the USSR lineup then
each and every is stabilized
or the US where even the 8.3 has stabs. Or the Israel or China.
in fact most of the former 8.7 machinery (leo 1a1, TAM, TTS, Centauro, ect ect ect) had stabs, but were decompressed to 9.0. But then those which they were decompressed from (t-55, t-62, Rise, Shot, ect) are still on their place, but they cant be moved at 9.0 as they are worse than 9.0 ones
The point was that the 8.7 French lineup is bad.
exactly why i like them 9.3)
Tho they arent bad by themselves as they operate good ammunition, have thermals and good mobility, their lack of stabilization makes them tough to play, i agree
They do not have good mobility, the dart is just between dm23 and dm33 in effectiveness so this is not overly effective (tanks get dm23 at 8.7-9.0 and dm33 at 9.3, you only have a slight advantage in dart) and the thermals are unusable with the gunner scope being a fixed 10x zoom with no FoV as well as gen1 thermals having extremely low resolution to begin with even on a wider scope.
The AMX-30B2 doesnt even get the engine upgrade. It’s the slowest AMX-30 in the game.
dont they? Judging on 30 Super and 30 on 8.0 they sure do
which is crazilly good even for 9.3
same trouble as Leopards have tho
No…
The only one with a massive engine upgrade… also a premium…
AMX-30 at 8.0 has average mobility but its not bad. AMX-30B2 is slower and at 8.7, and the Brenus gets an engine upgrade but still is not super fast, just faster.
No. Literally the norm. It also doesn’t make up for anything.
So? You’re admitting here that the thermals aren’t good yet try to use them as justification for why the vehicle is 8.7.
ah so thats like with OF-40 MTCA?
average compared to Leopard 1 is “GOOD” mobility tho
on my judgement they are better shots than DM23s which are often used around 9.0-9.3, and better than 774s in terms of damage that gets used around same brs
Also better than chinese 105s.
Tho them DM33s start to be widely used around 9.3 thats true, but i never had an issue with that shots with my 30 super and 32 105
No, i admit that them having high magnification is troublsome for some ingame situations. Thermals are good at their BR, some dont get the same until 9.3 or even higher (hello t-72a)
thermals are indeed a good addition for a machine which makes it br higher
yes
Leopard 1 also has average mobility, in fact they are VERY similar tanks at 8.0 except the AMX-30 HAS to use a HEAT round (no apds/dart).
I said the french shot is halfway between DM23 and DM33.
You can’t use the thermals effectively because 1. They are too low res (Gen1 thermals in general are bad even when you don’t have a FoV problem. I often elect to simply scout without them turned on because they are so bad. Gen2+ is when thermals become useful) and 2. The high magnification makes them useless because the entire point of thermals is to get a wide, quick picture of an area without having to scan each area with your eyes. The AMX-30s optic literally zooms in so much that thermals are redundant AND lower your scope resolution down to 144p.
They are in no way a justification for 8.7. The vehicle belongs at 8.3 with the current 8.3 roster as it compares evenly to those MBTs. Not 8.7.
so thats why i said “Good” mobility tho. I dont get it why you say “Average” when its “GOOD” - they move noticeably faster than M48/60s, T-55/62s, Vickers 1s and Centurions, Magachs, they easilly outrun nearly all MBTs and AFVs. They may not outrun wheeled machinery but wheeled at that ranks usually have 20mm cannons.
i mean. you sure can
their value in spotting enemies, which is not needed on distances on which 10x zoom makes them unusable. In fact, that zoon makes shooting on close distances as hard as using thermals. But spotting enemies is usually needed on distance, with which even this thermals with that zoom work well
so they do, on a distance. I never use thermals in CQC as they only make it harder to shoot, even the gen 3.
they sure are, most of the machinery gets the +0.3 because of the thermals
mph… i dunno about that. Sure thing the 8.7 is crazy if we compare T-62s/TTS against 30B2s. But then again, 8.3? 8.0 tanks are HUGELY worse than the Brenus. And 8.3 tanks often offer either only either stab or HUGELY worse APFSDS shell, sometimes neither sometimes both.
I mean. 8.3 AOS has stab + HEATFS, and then 8.3 T95E2 has no stab and mobility of a heavy tank + T320 APFSDS which is even worse than m375, not mentioning that french shot.
I do believe that decompression of 8.0-ish tanks will help the 30s, but rn i dont see how they will fit as 8.3 machines