They don’t need to improve MICA just because they remove 2 missiles as 6 missiles 2K5F would be in accordance with reality this would be a one way nerf just like removing MICA EM from RMV has been.
It’s clearly the same thing, the Mirage 3 has (so to speak) no radar missile while it is at the same Br as the F-4E in simulation which has 4 radar missiles which are really not bad and that does not prevent the Mirage from being as good in any way
Missile performances aren’t in accordance with reality though. Doing the 2 at the same time would basically give a status quo : M2K gets less missiles, but they behave better at range.
I don’t think that’s what they are going to do, but one can hope (cope ?) X)
To be fair, the first 8 missile mockup loadouts appeared on F.3-4+/F.3R for the first time, which are far from what we are most likely getting anyway. The only F.3 series Rafale that probably could use 8 missiles is the Indian EH / DH, as it received the additional SP3 pylons in order to use Towed Decoys, something that the French Rafale were not receiving in favor of upgrading the existing fleet to full F.4 standard.
i meant the -5, in air RB, maybe better, in sims, i honestly dont think it will be really an upgrade, sidegrade at best.
Even though i love Rafale as plane, i bet we all will be disappointed in how it turns out. The meta of WT simply doesnt help electronically advanced jets. Most of EW, stealth or avionics advantages it would have irl, means big fat zero in WT. Just look at stuff like Gripen… it should be if not the best top tier jet in case of avionics and systems integration of machine - human. In WT, it was reduced to BFM meme plane and now to subpar jet alltogether because stuff like workflow, easy of use of sensors and data presented to you is simply limited and same across the board.
Its pesa might end up being worse than many mechanical radars by just being terrribly done with lacking features. Hell, we already lack high data rate TWS on APG-70, pretty significant thing. If its going to be reduced to the normal modes and features we have, its nothing special outside BFM. I swapped from RB to Sim due to modern jets as iam familiar with that “ingame combat” from DCS and to be fair, rafale aint it. Its simply so out of meta with its kit, its insane. Micas needs to be fixed and they have to receive their range. Who cares that they will be on level of amraam? Not only all platforms carrying them have less of them than amraams on 15s but that thing is currently worse in BVR than god damn R77 and SM gets how many of them??? 10 or 12??? If i have low ammount of missile on god damn heavy main line fighter, i want them to be atleast effective so i dont have to get through spam first just to use mid missile.
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Isn’t this mostly about the Gripen-E?
8 of them max (+ 4 R-73’s). Though it should only be able to carry 6, as the twin racks are not available on the SM and are for stuff like the Su-35.
I don’t think the R-77 is significantly (or any) better than the MICA, granted, I have not used the MICA’s yet. Close up, the MICA is better for really close high off-bore shots in the “offensive while defensive” posture, but the R-77 is pretty good at that too, so that performance margin is pretty small.
I don’t know how they compare kinematically in range, but IIRC they are not that much different. If you are talking about mid-far range shots (+15 km), then forget about them for the R-77, as the radar is absolute trash. Even if the R-77 was superior in range, that advantage will be gone to the drain with how slowly the radar updates targets (the missile will often fly towards a ghost target, because the radar conveys a wrong location of the target with DL, more here). Getting those typical long range shots a la “stare at radar screen and lob SPAMRAAMs” does not happen, you need a bot brained target to fly straight at you the entire time.
I don’t know how many missiles the leaked Rafale and Typhoon carry, but both are delta-canards and will get busted FMs, but the EF high a higher T/W so it may be the new dogfighting king.
It won’t be. Between Rafale and EFT it’s truly the pilot that will matter.
Also saying both are detla canards, while being trueas a statement, is insanely false in the behaviour these canards give. EFT has a canard position that allows for a good recovery rate after stall and allow the plane to perform some post stall maneuvers while Rafale canards are placed to optimize airflow and always give Rafale the ability to have the highest AOA pull and STR possible no matter the condition it is in. The only place where Typhonn really beats Rafale is at quite high altitudes at usual DF altitudes both aircrafts will be similar-ish in terms of performances.
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allegedly the m2k should also only be able to carry 6 micas aswell due to it having some avionics restrictions
I don’t know, man, my knowledge of the two jets is pretty surface level, but from what I know, both have a similar aerodynamic configuration, while the EFT has a noticeable advantage in T/W. If they both fly like the J-10, but the EFT has an advantage in thrust, I think it would be a pretty big advantage.
Sure, the pilot is often the deciding factor, but if we are comparing flight performance, we should assume both pilots are on a similar level (barring any FM differences that are too small to make a noticeable advantage).
I wonder if there is any data on the EFT and the Rafale, like EM charts, or is Gaijin going to guesstimate them like the Gripen
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There is. It’s just that most data is between the hand of people that don’t share them because some data is okay to use and some other is not. Of course for reports only data that are okay to use will be used but there is more than enough to make Typhoon and EFT the best FM of the game so far
Did not know that. You are right, it was an oversimplification. I was going off of them both initiating from the same program with similar objective (even if the programs had to split, eventually). If the Rafale really is better optimized for dogfighting speeds (barring engine performance), then I think you are right.
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Are you referring to that “leaked” EFT manual?
What about the Rafale, any EM charts floating around?
No not at all.
Idk but i had confirmation that the people who will handle any potential Rafale FM problems have more than enough usable and not classified data to rectify any crap gaijin could make.
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Yeah… untill gaijin pulls up russian sources originating from god know where and are absurdly wrong… like in most cases they actually used them for FMs or any other things for western vehicles.
Yes and no, even C had amazing integration of UI that made it easier to operate whole plane as one weapon system, it kicked ass on red flags, beating F-16s even in 1v5 and even F15Cs, shooting down 2 and forcing 3rd to run.
In WT, gripen is gimped by lack of system simulation and information presented to you. E is a beast that will suffer from same problems as Rafale will… 90% of its features wont be present and will be reduced to upengined 39C with better engine and radar, which will miss tons of features too, i dont believe we will get real AESA with all its bells and whisles esp in tracking multiple targets.
What rafale will be is 2000-5 with 2 less missiles (most likely), somewhat better radar but due to having gimped mica, not like it matters, RDY is already good and better flight performance. Atleast its cool plane as hell.
I know
Sometimes you should think before writing because the current FM of the M2K for example comes from a bug report made with western sources and it made M2K into one of the best airframes of the game.
Also most of the time when FM changes bug reports are made and backed up by the right sources gaijin will actually correct the FM error most if the time but ofc when the FM changes is about a premium plane Gaijin might decide to say “F you” because ofc if you ruin a premium plane you remove a way of making money lol
where exactly did i specified M2000??? NOWHERE… i said most, not all… maybe sometimes you should read and think before writing.
And by saying most you are wrong anyway because it’s quite the opposite. Most FM changes are not questionned by gaijin except when the sources the reporter offers seems weird or as i said when the Fm report is about an airframe that serves as a premium plane.