Dassault Rafale - Variants, Characteristics, Armament and Performance

What’s really funny, most of the sources used to report the AASM were provided by the French dude in his attempts to nerf the Brimstone, would be rude to not make use of them

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Its not exactly like the laser AASM are bad…

The outlier once this bug report goes through is the Kh-38MT, and I’m starting to have a sneaking suspicion its IIR seeker is similar in function to the AASM IR tbh (beyond the fact its never even been used in combat)

Im about 60-70% sure of that, but I havent found a smoking gun like what would be needed to get gaijin to make it a more reasonable PGM ingame.

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To be clear, not saying there’s anything wrong with this.

Competition helps in improving the game.

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Since Gaijin doesn’t seem to want LOAL outside of laser weapons, either they already know about the working of the AASM and decided it would be like that for the sake of balance, or they didn’t and it’ll get slapped with an ackowledged but not actioned upon for the state of balance.

If these changes were to go through, they’d become pretty memetastic as far as air goes for striking airfields…

The report likely has a good chance of being rejected due to gaming convention on the grounds that the difference between Contrast and Correlation Seekers is not currently modeled (was removed shortly after implementation).

Early US Designed Electro Optical seekers should not be able to lock onto the ground.

Here is Developers answer

“Seekers like these can track optically contrast objects. As it is not possible to implement true contrast edge tracking in the game we allow seekers to lock on any point on the ground. So any point on the ground is considered contrast object.”

Therefore, this issue is considered resolved

Even though Gaijin themselves have acknowledged that they understand the difference.

Unlike the seeker of the Maverick missiles, the Kh-29T missile and the KAB-500kr guided bomb are equipped with a TV-correlation seeker, the main feature of which is the difference in the visual image of the captured area and the rest of the background. This means that such seeker will not be able to lock on single ground targets such as a tank, but they will be able to capture any point on the land surface. Thus, the player will be able to strike at the intended locations of the target without visual detection (tanks in the bushes, or at the capture point, covered by an obstacle). However, if the enemy’s tank changes its position, then the drop will be done on an empty spot.

I really don’t see how both statements can be true simultaneously.

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The Penguin missile is modelled as IIR with LOAL in game.

Vehicles that have moved and are standing still again or moving targets?

There is also a separate issue of Positional error correction for the missile (upon entry into the terminal phase) to realign projected point of impact and the target point, and adjusting the point of aim to correct for pointing error being two separate things as the scene observed by the seeker will be different in each scenario for a positional error, or a target that has moved.

To my knowledge all IIR/EO weapons feature

"boundaryTrack": true

To employ a boundary tracking weapon you need only fire at a “point” target, once the weapon reaches its tracking range it will track whatever it finds at the “point” location.
Example with AGM-65G

Still makes me question why brimstones aren possible when they said LOAL is one of their biggest concerns

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I’d ignore everything they said except for the ability to track througu smoke. Everything else just felt like making an excuse to try and strengthen their justification but was largely just irrelevant nonsense

Even that one multispectral smoke with chaff is supposed to work against mmw or what is its job supposed to be?

So with weapons without IOG/GPS you need LOS to perform this kind of attack. With Brimstone you don’t ever, the kill box in autonomous mode is fixed in a forward position ahead the aircraft.

This means you can hold at tree top level, outside of any SPAA’s ability to see or detect you under any circumstances, you can then spam out some Brimstone towards the spawn. The smokeless missile won’t be seen, the launch will never be detected.

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Yeah about that;

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No going further off topic, move to the EFT thread or British Weapons one to discuss this.

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Woops, thought it was 🤣

The Source directly refers to the MMW band, not radar.

The advanced development program for the M81 grenade was conducted from 1987 to 1992. in the transition to full scale development, the Operational Requirements Document (ORD) required the grenade to provide IR and MM instead of just MM protection The Grenade, Launcher, Smoke: Millimeter/Infrared (MM/IR) Screening, M81 (Figure 17) was type classified in 1995 and is scheduled to begin production in 1998

So I’d at least consider that the M81 takes precedence in that sense, since The MMW band is directly referenced vs “no existing system uses the band”.

Sure you could get around by coherence checking returns but that requires the returns to be interrogated, and Missiles like the Sparrow would also benefit but as it hasn’t been modeled.

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Chaff-able Brimstone and assuming all nations have chaff mixed in their smoke grenades is still a better compromise than no F&F Brimstone at all …

Not that most people would actually see the missile and use chaff …

Not that most people actually see the current TV/IR guided F&F missiles and use smoke anyways …

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Just pointing out

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Could be added only for ARB, Just for the fun of using It against bots

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