I am using them at range. And at those ranges they can be easily countered. And by countering them, the enemy is putting themselves in vulnerable states against other missiles like R-27’s.
Which because of the stronger source radar and mid-course correction via the datalink, not as easy to notch/chaff as the Fox3’s.
Sure, you could followup with another R-77-1, and they can counter that. And another, which they can counter. Until you’re close enough for an R-73. But you save a lot of time by just killing them with an R-27.
We were talking about AIM-120 what does R-27ER have to do with it?
If they dodge R-77-1 at 20Km they could dodge R-27 as well. It all depends wether someone is shooting back at you.
The point is 20Km is way below the ranges were you would have to wonder wether R-77-1 or AIM-10A/B have more enegery.
I’m not saying it wont work but it has little to do with the compasison we were making.
Additionally it depends wether you could kill more aircraft with R-77-1 only than with using R-27ER as well as R-77-1 on a single target.
You might secure this kill with another R-77-1 if needed or just use it for another target while also staying more safe.
You lose on oppdoetunities because you waste to much killing potential on a single aircraft which you might not even have to do while exposing your aircraft due to the pd lock you habe to keep going.
The R-77-1’s are getting notched/chaffed whether you use them with or without R-27’s. At least with the R-27’s, you can secure the kill afterwards.
You can, but there’s a bit of a misconception that just because you can means you should.
People tend to fire off at the first targets that appear on the scope. Yes you can, yes they go defensive, but not much actually changes. They’re minus a bit of chaff and you’re minus a missile. And both sides are doing this.
They kinda just poke at each other for the first couple of salvos.
And you get the F-15E’s running back to base because they decided to poke away with all their missiles. Which actually opens up another opportunity for the R-27ET’s, cleaning up the planes rearming at the 2nd airfield.
I disagree with this, by aplying pressure you force the other side to defend and not get clear and easy kills on your team mates. Will your missile kill? Likely not.
When we look at first Fox 3 gameplay it was (after F-14s) F-15 flying high releasing 120s that dominated matches, it forced everyone to go defensive and in many cases drop altitude leaving the other F-15s in the team to clean up.
Holding your missiles back makes sense for you as a player but it isn’t good for your team.
Smaller team sizes and removing the ability to rearm would solve this but that’s a whole different discussion.
Like the Typhoon is nerfed to stop Russians crying about it? Works both ways.
Su-30 is a good jet, it is good at what it does and what it does is have a great Radar, decent FM and great payload of missiles. So all the Su-30 lacks is a little more engine power.
If its early for your own missiles, its early for the enemy’s missiles as well. Your teammates should know how to defend against early missiles by now.
i won’t completely agree with some of that, but Su-30SM is at least playable and quite enjoyable. You still can strongarm Rafales and Eurofighters in certain situations.
Rafale is top by a large margin
in terms of Meta Su-30 edges it. Typhoons Radar and payload of 120s and 9ms make it lower down the pack.
The meta is now sitting in the notch, with your incredible Radar and High offsight bore missiles (MICA and R-77/R-77-1)
No jet can touch you if you have the ability to do this and the Rafale with the MICA does it best. Followed by the Su-30
Probably the J-11B with the PL12
The rest cannot do it with the current 120 lacklustre at close/medium range.
Typhoon speed and acceleration are great though I wont argue with that it’s just the Radar and only having 6 120s that hurt it as the match goes on.