Ah, it was an assumption on my part since you said to ask the Brits. The Meteor MLU involves UK, Germany, Sweden, and France. Maybe I’m forgetting others.
Are they developing that missile alone?
well yeah, they are the main part of the meteor programm, who get the most information out of it most likely.
Germany uses them as well, still britians likely are more knowledgeable about it.
Same like the european guys likely would come to germany for boxer information.
Many participants, but most handled by germany
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As far as I know, at the moment they do.
MBDA UK led project right?
So yeah, probably would see english news articiles about from time to time, Though havent yet. Kinda like how I dont see things about rafale or German Typoons etc because they are in French and German Respectively.
Long life the german confirmed AMK EFT
I gonna bet Gaijin will add Rafale C F4 in the winter that pretty much don’t bring anything new to War Thunder except probably its A2G Munitions, just like how Mirage 2000-5F at release day, it’s pretty much just a Mirage 2000C-S5 with a MPRF Radar lol up until it got better CM Count, 4 Magic 2, and finally MICA-EM.
The only way I could see gaijin adding the Rafale F4 would be with new missiles like MICA IR and Meteor so that its noticeably different to the in-game “French” F3R, which should put its introduction pretty far off barring the quasi F4 we already have in-game.
They could always surprise me though, since they haven’t handled the Rafale situation in general with any scrap of intelligence in the first place, and seem to have no intention to do so anytime soon either.
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More likely they add a earlier variant with pesa radar, like they should have from the start in my opinion
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All adding a variant with pesa would’ve done is reduce max number of missiles.
Pesa and aesa are modeled the exact same in game (currently) so the radar would still be oppressive.
Heck the su30sm currently has the fastest scan speed in the game as a pesa, with more than 200 degrees a second in its widest scan mode
I’d expect:
- Rafale F1 or F2 with what we currently have
- Rafale F3R gets mica ir when we get others new gen ir missiles
- Rafale F4 with mica ng and perhaps meteors, depends where the meta is at that time
- Rafale F5 in a long time with full set
Is there really that much of a difference between gan and gaas aesa? I’ve seen people glazing the su-57s GaN l band aesa arrays, but what difference would going from GaAs to GaN even do?
Feel like going from pesa to aesa is already more than a big enough jump
When France had went from RBE2 PESA to RBE2 AESA, the radar range gain was 50%+.
France is expected to go from RBE2 AESA to RBE2-XG (for Rafale F5) with radar range gain of 70%+.
So the radar range addition from GaA to GaN is bigger than PESA to AESA.
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Here’s an article that goes into the technical details but my general understanding is that, with the current available tech of GaAs and GaN radars, GaN radars are more powerful, reliable, and efficient, while GaAs radars excel at things that require low-noise like EW, and are cheaper to produce, and a more mature technology. I could be missing some key details though, since I havent done a whole lot of digging into this stuff yet, and am basically just giving a TLDR of the linked article.
So, with my current understanding, GaN radars will likely have no real advantages in WT with the current state of maps and radar modelling.
Sorta off-topic blurb:
Interestingly, the ECRS Mk.0 is a GaAs radar, the ECRS Mk.1 is a GaN radar, and the ECRS Mk.2 is a hybrid GaN/GaAs radar. The better EW performance of GaAs radars might explain why despite Germany developing the ECRS Mk.1, and selecting it as its next EFT radar, they are allegedly buying 15 ECRS Mk.2’s, presumably for the Eurofighter EK, which would make sense, since the jet is supposed to be a dedicated EW/SEAD variant of the EFT.
@Flame2512 or @Gunjob would probs know more details iirc.
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simply afaik, GaN can allow higher voltages than GaAs
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There’s more to it than that, but it is one aspect yeah
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If Gaijin do this they really need to go back and update/change older models tho,
E.g. the F3R should lose HMD, the Gripen A should lose HMD and Litening. Just so that there is actually a differentiating factor between models that isnt just what missiles they can carry
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GaN is basically twice more conductive
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side note, GaN and Germanium (useful for IIR sensors) are mostly found in one country, and every country not aligned with it are scrambling to find other sources as we speak.
It’s that important for advanced weaponry
A fascinating subject really
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Pretty sure this is completely wrong btw, newest article I can find discussing the RBE2-XG’s performance uplift state a range increase of 20-30%, not even half the “70%+” you’ve claimed…
The only reference I’ve been able to find regarding the “70%” number you’ve stated is this:
Which, if its your source for the “70%+” claim, is a flagrant misreading of what’s actually said. “Tout deux pourraient s’accroitre de 70%.” Does not mean “a 70%+ increase in range”, it would be more accurately translated to “Both features (detection range and resolution) could be improved by up to 70%.”
I’d be curious to see where they got the 70% number in the first place though, seeing as its a fan-site and though they do “have” a source page, they dont actually follow proper source notation making it impossible to tell if there was a source used for the 70% claim in the first place, and if so, what source was used (cant even tell which source was used for the specific article in question, since their source page is for the whole website…), and I have not found any other mention of the performance uplifts of the RBE2-XG over the RBE2-AA besides the “20-30%” claimed in the other article, a far cry from the massive 70% you and that website claim…
Its possible that there’s some older source stating that up to 70% performance uplift was theorized for the RBE2-XG, but that said numbers never ended up manifesting, particularly when you consider the RBE2-XG is as of now working with an 8y delay over initial plans, suggesting maybe things arent going so well with its development…
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Nah not necessarily, the F3R can very much keep all its features and we can have an earlier Rafale inserted before, wouldn’t be the first time Gaijin inserts vehicles in a line… They do this all the time.
Actually the F3R should keep its features since it will go up with the meta, while earlier Rafales can come to replace it at current tiers and they’ll be more balanced.
You don’t seem to realize that the F3R came way too early and with its full weapons suite it would be more on par with stuff like the F-15EX or Su-35S, at that tier it will definitely need these capabilities.