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I would like to suggest the unique Daimler Benz Großtraktor with the 7,5 cm KwK 16 n.A. L/36 (An 7,5 cm FK 16 n.A. L/36 adapted for tank use with an new recoil system as testbed for the later 7,5 cm K L/40,8 auf Sfl Model 1) This and the KD-I Geschützwagen mit 7,5 cm Flak 16 n.A. L/36 are to my knowlege the only 2 vehicles which mounted some form of the 7,5 cm FK 16 n.A. L/36.
First more about this specific modification, the generall information is allready in my other suggestion: Its the Daimler Benz Großtraktor, but instead of the 7,5 cm KwK L/24 it was modified as a testbed for the 7,5 cm KwK 16 n.A. L/36 (pretty much only as a testbed, because the Großtraktor by DB was a total failure) similar like the Rheinmetall Großtraktor (https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/558768-rheinmetall-grotraktor/ ) which was later test fitted with an Dual mount with an 7,5 cm KwK L/24 and a coaxial 3,7 cm KwK L/45. Both modifications where made after the whole tests, after it was allready decided that the vehicles are a not up to the time, they where mere proof of concepts/testbeds, as such and because they are quite old allready, there is very sparce documentation left.
Cince the tanks where of no further use except monuments, they where also used as testbeds, with the DB one reciving an modified 7,5 cm FK 16 n.A. L/36 for further development of the 7,5 cm K L/40,8 for the Sfl Model 1, which also was not adopted, but the gun was even further developed into the 7,5 cm K L/41 and then into the 7,5 cm KwK 40 L/43 (beeing a combination of the Pak 40 barrle with the K. L/41 breech).
Overall results are sadly lost to history. Overall the DB Großtraktor remained as is, only the gun changed as well as it is unlikely that the ammo racks where changed, but such shouldnt be a problem game wise. This took place at the very end of the Großtraktor programm, which was also at the beginning of the Pz Sfl Programm
The DB Großtraktor itself was the worst of the 3, beeing very unreliable, having the worst suspention tracks, transmition and coolingsystem, travelling only 31 km with 13 kmph becasue only gear 1 and 3 were working.
Here is a nice article about them if interested Tank Archives: First Try at a Medium Tank
The Gun: 7,5 cm KwK 16 n.A. L/36 (a 7,5 cm FK n.A. L/36 tank adapted)
7,5 cm about 12-15 rpm -12 ° to +60° and 360° electric and hand traverse (15°/sec and higher)
originally 104 rounds of ammo, but because of the size difference, more around 80-90 seem realistic, like the Pz IV F2+ have with even bigger ammo.
Ammo:(Click to show)
Ap:
K.Gr. Rot Pz (Apcbc) 6,8 kg 80 g Fp.02 und Np.10 (102,4 g TnTa) 650 m/s 110mm/10m
Gr.38 Hl (Heat (No Tracer)) 4,4 kg 570,2g H.5+Fp.02 (969,34g TnTa) 450 m/s 52-55mm/10m
Gr.38 Hl/A (Heat (No Tracer)) 4,5 kg 399g H.5+Fp.02 (678,3g TnTa) 450 m/s 81mm/10m
Gr.38 Hl/B (Heat (No Tracer)) 4,57 kg 513g H.5 (872,1g TnTa) 450 m/s 87mm/10m
Gr.38 Hl/C (Heat) 4,8 kg 515 g H.10 (875,5g TnTa) 450 m/s 115mm/10m
(Early no Tracer, implemented during production.)
K.Gr. Rot. (SapHef (No Tracer)) 6,62 kg 655m/s 520g Amatol (520g aquivalent)(Some penetration (Historical 20mm/30°/600m)
(with A.Z.23 (0,15)(Ms.)
He:
Sprgr.34 (He (No Tracer)) 5,74 kg 725g Fp.02 und Np.10 (928g TnTa) 665 m/s
K.Gr. Rot. (Hef-TF (No Tracer)) 5,83 kg 662 m/s 520g Amatol (655,2g aquivalent)
(With Dopp.Z./60s Time Fuze)
Utility:
K.Gr. Rot Nb (Smoke (No Tracer)) 6,2 kg 95g Pent 660m/s
Schr. L/3,2 (Shrapnell-TF (No Tracer)) 6,08 kg 0,08 kg Blackpowder 661 m/s 46mm/10m
Some Incendary effect by the Pitch inbetween the balls.
By “German Explosive ordanace -Projectiles and Projectile Fuzes chapter 5” it could also fire the Gr. 38 HL series, so perhaps also the /B and /C as allready found in game with 87 and 115mm penetration respectivly.
As well as an frontal hull Mg, and coax Mg and an AA Mg in the backturret.
| Designed | 1926 |
|---|---|
| Manufacturer | Rheinmetall, Krupp, Daimler |
| Produced | 1928–1930 |
| No. built | 6 |
| Specifications | |
| Weight | 19 tonnes (21 short tons) |
| Length | 6.6 m (21 ft 8 in) |
| Width | 2.81 m (9 ft 3 in) |
| Height | 2.3 m (7 ft 7 in) |
| Crew | 6 |
| Armor | 14.5 mm Hull and Turret Front. 14.5 mm Turret all around. 2x 14.5mm Hull side plates. Belly and Top 10mm. |
Speed: 40 kmph
Source:
Panzer Tracts No. 4 Pz IV to Großtraktor
Geschoßringbuch Band I
D. 435 Anlage 7 Munition der FK 16 n.A.
German Explosive Ordanance Projectiles and Projectile Fuzes Chapter 5
Covert german rearmarment 1919-1939 by Barton Whaley
Strategic denial and deception by James Wirtz