Are you sure? Acording to few books I have, almost every Mosquito was rebuilded and there’s at least one photo of it.
Really? I mean, i could find basically only source about this certain modification (B-36 HR158 : Československo, and this site used the book “Výzbroj čs.vojenského letectva 1945-1950 - 2.díl” from Miroslav Irra as their source) and i couldnt find it anywhere else.
I would be gladly wrong though. If you have more info about this plane (or atleast the photo), could you please share it in here or atleast send it into my DMs? It would help alot!
I have that book, and it’s clearlly state that prototype was succesfull tested, and another 12 modified. Book also mention that one B-32 was probably modified too. And here’s photo and plans from this book.
Thanks alot for those pictures!
If you have some more info about the PE-2FT (which is what the B-32 is i suppose, as that was its designation in Czechoslovakia), please let me know. Atleast an information whenever it was armed with the same stuff as the upgraded B-36 or with something else would be enough for me to put it into the tree.
Anyway, really appreciate the help!
Here it get’s more complicated, since not only weapons change was planed, but engines too. (There were lack of any spare parts at all, and more than 50% was already unable to fly). In case of weaponary, every gun was intened to be change to german MG131, and bomb pylons also change to german ones, so carring german 500, 200 and 50/70 kg bombs was posibble. End there’s relly no info, if it was acctually done, and what exaclly was changed, not to mention what about engines.
Sounds interesting. I probably wont put it into regular proposal unless i find evidence that one plane was actually build, but the fact that it was planned atleast would mean that i will be able to put it into the extended version of my air tree that im planning to create in the future (there will be as many planes as possible, so everything Czechoslovakia or its succesor states ever used and desined, including proposed/paper designs similiarly to my extended ground proposal).
L-159 with Brimstones, TIALD targeting pod and Apollo radar jammer
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Marconi Electronic Systems has carried out fit tests of its Brimstone anti-armour weapon, TIALD targeting pod and Apollo radar jammer on the Aero Vodochody light-attack L-159. The UK company, to be merged with British Aerospace this month, is competing for an expected Czech requirement to equip some of the 72 L-159s it has on order as well as those of potential export customers. The first is due for delivery this year.
“No flight testing is planned, but in due course it will be,” says Marconi marketing manager Bob Kemp. Competing laser designators include the Rafael Litening and Lockheed Martin Lantirn.
The Marconi Apollo jamming pod is the export version of the Sky Shadow fitted to UK Royal Air Force Panavia Tornados. The Brimstone has been selected by the UK for its Tornados, BAe Harriers and Eurofighters. Marconi supplies the L-159’s radar warning receiver, based on its Sky Guardian.
That looks like quite some effort. Very impressive! Hopefuly, it will help Gaijin devs.
Extended Czechoslovak air tree
Hi there. I´ve created an extended version of my air tree. In this version, you can find preety much all aircraft Czechoslovakia (and its succesor states) ever fielded, will field or designed that i could find. It also includes some very interesting paper designs:
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Disclaimer: BRs and ranks are only approximate. Some of the new vehicles in this version of the proposal can be considered lacking in terms of armament and overall usefullness in the game, which is why i havent added them to regular version of my proposal, just the extended one. Addition of ranks IX and X to the proposal are meant to show future aircraft Czechia and Slovakia are going to field and the ability of the tree to have good counterparts against future aircraft additions to other in-game trees
New vehicles
Avia BH-26 (Rank I, BR 1.0, premium)
Armament:
2x 7.7mm (.303) Vickers
2x 7.7mm (.303) Lewis turret
Max speed: 242km/h
Avia F-VIIb-3m (Rank I, BR 1.0, researchable)
Armament:
1x 7.7mm Lewis
2x 7.92mm vz.28 turret
Payload: 800kg
Max speed: 208km/h
Avia C-2B (Rank I, BR 1.0, premium)
Armament 1x 7.92mm MG 17
Payload: 2x 70kg bombs
Max speed: 350km/h
Škoda Kauba V4 (Rank I, BR 1.0, researchable)
Armament: 1x 7.92mm
Max speed: 420km/h
L-60 Brigadýr (Rank I, BR 1.0, premium)
Armament: 1x 7.62mm vz.52
Payload: 2x 125kg bombs
Max speed: 193km/h
L-39CW (Rank VII, BR 10.3, premium)
Technological demonstrator of the L-39NG
L-159T2X (Rank VIII, BR 12.0, researchable)
Armament:
20mm zpl-20 Plamen
AIM-9M9
AIM-120 (fitted for but not with)
AGM-65
Paveway II
(Its possible that the aircraft will also be able to use AIM-9X, JDAM, JAGM and Brimstone in the future)
Payload: 2340kg
Max speed: 936km/h
Technology demonstrator which tests new technologies to be used on future versions of the L-159 ALCA. This includes new wet wing design which will allow for both grater range and 2 extra pylons for missiles on wingtips, but also new avionics and weapon systems
L-169 (Rank VIII, BR 11.7, event)
Overall similiar to ALCA
F/A-259 Striker (L-259) (Rank VIII, BR 12.3, researchable)
Specifications unknown, but the aircraft should be overall better than ALCA (better radar, engine, wider range of weapons…)
Let C-11U (Rank II, BR 2.0, premium
Armament: 1x 12.7mm UBS
Payload: 200kg
Max speed: 460km/h
An-26 (Rank II, BR 2.7, premium)
Armament: none
Payload: unknown ammount of bombs (probably over 500kg)
Max speed: 540km/h
MiG-19PM (Rank VI, BR 9.0, researchable)
Armament: 4x RS-2U
Max speed: 1230km/h
MiG-23UB (Rank VII, BR 10.7, researchable)
Armament:
1x 23mm GSh-23
4x R-13M
Payload: 1600kg
Max speed: 2500km/h
MiG-29UB (Rank VIII, BR 11.7, researchable)
Armament:
1x 30mm GSh-301
6x R-73
Payload: 4000kg
Max speed: 2230km/h
MiG-29A (Rank VIII, BR 12.0, researchable)
Armament:
1x 30mm GSh-301
2x R-27R
6x R-73E
Payload: 3200kg
Max speed: 2450km/h
F-16C Block 70 Viper (Rank IX, BR 13.3, researchable)
Armament:
1x 20mm Vulcan M61
AMRAAM
AIM-9X
Max speed: 2414km/h
F-16D Block 70 Viper (Rank IX, BR 13.0, researchable)
Armament:
1x 20mm Vulcan M61
AMRAAM
AIM-9X
Max speed: 2414km/h
F-35A Block 4 (Rank X, BR 15.0, researchable)
Armament:
1x 25mm GAU-22/A
AIM-120C-8
AIM-9X
GBU-53/B StormBreaker
Paveway II
And many more…
Payload: max 8165kg on 10 pylons
Max speed: 1930km/h
(pic is just a placeholder, as no Czech F-35 have been build yet)
L-159 Sokol - early (Rank VII, BR 10.7, researchable)
Armament: unknown
Payload: unknown
Max speed: 1500km/h
L-159 Sokol - late (Rank VII, BR 10.7, researchable)
Armament: unknown
Payload: unknown
Max speed: 1500km/h
L-49 (Rank VI, BR 9.3, researchable)
Armament: unknown
Payload: unknown
Max speed: around 1000km/h
L-49 VTER (Rank VI, BR 9.3, researchable)
Armament: unknown
Payload: unknown
Max speed: around 1000km/h
L-39 M1 (Rank VI, BR 9.7, researchable)
Armament: unknown
Payload: unknown
Max speed: Mach 1-1.2
Aero B-34 (Rank VI, BR 9.0, researchable)
Armament: unknown
Payload: unknown
Max speed: unknown
Letov L-52 (Rank V, BR 8.0, researchable)
Armament:
2x 30mm Mk 108
or
2x 20mm Mk 151
Payload:
24x 55mm rockets
or
2x 210mm rockets
or
2x 250kg bombs
Max speed: 920km/h
Letov L-501 (Rank IV, BR 6.0, researchable)
Armament:
4x 13mm MG-131
3x 20mm MG-151
Payload:
1x 50kg bomb
4x rockets
Max speed: 590km/h
Avia B-46 (Rank I, BR 2.0, premium)
Armament: 3x 2x7.92mm vz.30
Payload: 2000kg
Max speed: 250km/h
Other changes
Let C-11: moved to researchable part of the tree
MiG-29UBS: foldered with MiG-29UB
MiG-29AS: foldered with MiG-29A
Number of vehicles as of now:
Rank I: 31 researchable vehicles + 14 premium vehicles
Rank II: 12 researchable vehicles + 5 premium vehicles
Rank III: 8 researchable vehicles
Rank IV: 9 researchable vehicles + 2 premium vehicle
Rank V: 13 researchable vehicles + 3 premium vehicles
Rank VI: 14 researchable vehicles + 1 premium vehicle
Rank VII: 13 researchable vehicles + 3 premium vehicle
Rank VIII: 10 researchable vehicles + 1 event vehicle
Rank IX: 2 researchable vehicles
Rank X: 1 researchable vehicles
Total vehicle count: 142 vehicles (making it the 4th largest tree, having 7 aircraft more than the British air tree and almost 5 times as many as the Israeli air tree)
Of that:
99 original (70%)
43 copy-paste (30%)
I believe it would be best to split the fighter line into two separate lines, so to stick to Gaijin’s ‘3 in a row’ philosophy
Other than that it looks very neat!
Update of the extended air tree
Hi there. I´ve made an update to my air tree. Added 4 new aircraft, added a new branch which will incorporate mainly attackers, bombers and 2 seat/trainer variants of fighter aircraft, moved some planes between premium and researchable lines and also foldered few others. Overall the tree should look better and be far less grindy, having just 4 aircraft in row at worst per rank.
New vehicles
Škoda-Kauba P14.01 (Rank V, BR 7.3, researchable)
Armament: 1x 30mm MK 108
Max speed: about 1000km/h
Škoda-Kauba P14.02 (Rank V, BR 7.3, Researchable, foldered with P14.01)
Armament: 1x 30mm MK 108
Max speed: about 1000km/h
An-12BP (Rank V, BR 7.3, researchable)
Armament: 2x AM-23 turret
Payload: 11 000kg
Max speed: 777km/h
The aircraft comes equipped with NKPB-7 bombing sights and can carry up to 22x FAB-500 bombs. Bombs are dropped from the cargo bay with the help of belt conveyor type TG-12MB (bombing with it is preety incaccurate).
SU-25UBK (Rank VI, BR 9.7, researchable)
Armament: 1x 30mm Gsh-30-2
Payload: 4400kg
Max speed: 950km/h
(Two-seat variant of the SU-25K. Combat capabilities are the exact same, but its about 1 ton heavier, which is why i put it at lower BR)
Other changes
Aero A-11 Folder: moved to branch 4
Avia F-VIIb-3m: moved to branch 4
Aero A-42: moved to branch 4
Praga E-41: moved to branch 4
Beaufighter Mk. VIF: moved to researchable, branch 4
He 219 A-5 Uhu: moved to branch 4
Aero B-34: moved to branch 4
L-39 M1: moved to branch 4
L-159 Sokol early: moved to branch 4
L-159 Sokol early: moved to branch 4
MiG-29UB folder: moved to branch 4
F-16D Block 70: moved to branch 4
Letov L-501: moved to branch 2
Letov L-52: moved to branch 2
MiG-15SB folder: moved to branch 2
MiG-23BN: moved to rank VI
L-259: moved to rank IX
MiG-19PM: moved to premium
MiG-21PF: moved to premium
MiG-23UB: moved to premium
Su-7BLK: foldered with SU-7BM
L-49 VTER: foldered with L-49
(quite possible i missed a few)
Number of vehicles as of now
Rank I: 31 researchable vehicles + 14 premium vehicles
Rank II: 13 researchable vehicles + 4 premium vehicles
Rank III: 8 researchable vehicles
Rank IV: 9 researchable vehicles + 2 premium vehicle
Rank V: 16 researchable vehicles + 3 premium vehicles
Rank VI: 14 researchable vehicles + 3 premium vehicle
Rank VII: 11 researchable vehicles + 4 premium vehicle
Rank VIII: 9 researchable vehicles + 1 event vehicle
Rank IX: 3 researchable vehicles
Rank X: 1 researchable vehicles
Total vehicle count: 146 vehicles (making it the 4th largest tree after USA, USSR and Germany and just 1 aircraft less than France and Sweden combined)
Of that:
101 original (69%) nice
45 copy-paste (31%)
Why does it look so cursed?
+1 to a tree incorporating as much unique stuff which actually flew, and a little bit of copy paste. Even more of a +1 if it gets a Polish sub-tree.
However I can’t get around the paper planes sadly.
Have you considered the FiSk 199?
i like the idea but… Apart from Rank 1, arent those are mostly clones?
IM, the S-199 and S-99, Albatros and Delfin, are also good enough, but from rank 2 to rank 8 there are no particular reason to make a separate tree here, as much as you can jut make Czech camouflages for similar machines in USSR or germany ot whatever you like.
Wouldnt be against a Polish subtree honestly, or even a combined Czecho-Polish tree (but i think both would be better off separated)
I also dont want copy-paste vehicles added, atleast not those who didnt have full scale mockups and who we dont have much info about, which is why my regular proposal includes only Škoda-Kauba V5, which had its full scale model tested in aerodynamic tunel, and the remaining paper designs are in extended version of the tree only.
I actually didnt know about this one, so thanks for letting me know about it. I will consider adding it in the future
Large part of the vehices in the air tree are indeed made up of foreign designs and i can understand why the tree may not seem like a worthy addition on the first look. There are however still indigenous planes on every signle rank of the tree, and also large part of the foreign planes are modified and/or produced under license (often even having a different role than their base variants, for example MiG-15SB is a fighter-bomber with domestic rockets, 4 extra pylons and drogue chute among other things, while the B-36 HR158 (mosquito) has german guns and can carry german bombs).
Its also important to note that while the air tree may not be perfect, its both larger and more unique than some other nations we have in-game, while also having smaller BR gaps between vehicles (atleast in most cases)
(Good to note that air tree is not even the most important part of the tree - the ground part is)
I think Polish-Czechoslovak tree will be the best option
Well, if the tree comes with the czhech ground tree, then that air tree is pretty much okay, wil be better addition to the game then Hungarian air we got last update
Looking at that air tree, some critiques jump out at me. The middle tree at rank 5 as listed is an absolute mess that is beyond over powered, while somehow being terrible with one exception.
L-39C at 5.7 would run rings around every aircraft it could possibly encounter. The fact that it could down tier to fight things like the Typhoon is just insane. The only marginally redeeming factors are that with how much runway it would need, it would be hard to use in air RB at that BR (lack of jet runways), and as far as I am aware, it was never cleared to carry gun pods, only practice bombs, meaning it would be completely unarmed. The result is a craft that’s either done to historical spec on armament and is the worst thing in game to play and encourages the most passive playstyle imaginable, or a liberty is taken on that front, and we get the most over powered tech tree vehicle in the entire game with flight performance comparable to at least an 8.0 down at 5.7.
L-39ZO is the exact same problem. It’s lower performance, particularly in a climb, except it actually was properly armed and could carry S5 rockets and FAB-250’s. It will also still outrun absolutely anything short of 8.0.
L-39CM is just comically over powered. IR missiles at that low a tier is a non-starter. That and again, flight performance.
At the other end of the spectrum is the L-159T2 and L-159 ALCA, which as far as I can tell from the description appear to both be wielding Fox 3 AIM-120’s. At as low as 11.3. In a down tier, that would mean fox-3’s against planes with minimalistic at best RWR, and in some instances, no countermeasures. Considering that Fox 3 missiles at 12.3 is already considered extremely strong, I don’t think I need to explain the problem here.
In it’s current state, this would be the most broken air tree in the game.
While I appreciate the history effort, my suggestion for the sake of balance is the following:
Axe all the L-39’s from Tier V. They don’t fit the historical progression in the slightest, and their far too much of a balance problem. The tree can also survive without them.
Second, remove the top set of L-159’s with AIM-120’s for the above stated reason. To fill back in the space and prevent an over saturation of one line at top tier, move the Gripen’s over to the L-39 line.
As a final consideration, both for balance and as what I would consider a more reasonable addition to the Rank V area if it does still need to be filled; L-29.
It’s not great, being arguably a slight downgrade to the existing strikemaster across most of the board, save for the guns, since MG-17 is an upgrade over the FN-MAG for aircraft.