Its own base round can do it too, i think something is definitely off with the composite.
The C2s hull, which has similar composite, has over 500mm of protection against L15A5
NVM i forgot the C2 didn’t have Chobham… even then Gaijins murder of Chobhams effectiveness needs to be studied.
Its different in tbe files dw i to thought it was identical.
What?
C2 has a improved Chobham from what i understand, Same array size, but its apparently far more effective. Just what I’ve heard.
As for its effectiveness, it should be more capable than it is on the C1s, For some reason it far under performs for what it is, they DID for one update fix that, But it made the C1 a Tank. I legit ate like 10 rounds of 3BM-42 to the turret front and not one penetrated, That got fixed about 3 days later tho.
Its.more modern dorchester aye, has more layers , like a bigger onionn
Go watch tank chats reloaded on the cr1 has one of the original majors, now brigadiers interviewed on it.
He mentions how they were warned that the cr1 UFP may not stand up to t72s, however when the encountered them they found out that they infact, could. easily
Edit just like to point out that gaijin now use brs to balance tanks rather than the reverse, tanks and vehicles in general shoukd get thier full capabilities then a br to reflect it
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Have you got a source for that? I’ve been trying to work out the L23 / L23A1 situation without much luck.
I’ve found references to L23A1 as early as 1982:
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i don’t agree on moving up the mk1b/mk2b to 9.7.
As you can see both l23 and l23a1 are the same round , even the war museum calls the it L23 but the photo us of aj L23A1 round.
Never said to actively move them but both tanks could and would be fine at 9.7.
Having used most 9.3s in the game id say theyre some of the better / best ones
My experience with the FV4030/3 so far is that the vehicle is absolutely busted for 9.7, this thing totally needs to be moved up to 10.0 without a doubt, and maybe give it L23A1 to help it out a bit whenever it does go up.
It still is just a WAY worse Challenger Mk2, the turret can’t be angled as well due to the lack of the proper composite array on the sides
The side protection for the turret on the FV4030/3 is funnily enough superior to that found on the Challenger 1, the chemical protection for the /3 is 330 and it’s 220 for the Challenger 1 if I recall.
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Yeah but what at 9.7 is gonna be firing heat there dude?
Also have ANY Of you been fighting Russia? because Russia just steam rolls this thing.
Even the side kinetic protection for the turret of the FV4030/3 is still superior to the one found on the Challenger 1. The FV4030/3 has 170mm of protection whilst the Chally 1 has 120mm, that being a 50mm difference.
Also have ANY Of you been fighting Russia? because Russia just steam rolls this thing
I’ve been getting constant down tiers so I don’t really face 10.7 USSR whatsoever
Oh yeah, its TOTALLY worth going up to 10.0.
Except most players of this game have no idea how to use a British MBT.
NO ONE knows how to use the Challenger except for like a few hundred people, and those few Hundred people are what you are basing your opinion on, not the Standard Warthunder player with the IQ of a stone.
Shoudn’t be, the entire reason for the change in turret armour was that the BA wanted higher 60 degree kinetic protection, with the Shir 2 being designed for higher all around 84mm heat protection.
I’ve been getting pretty constant 10.3 uptiers personally.
Honestly just remove the APFSDS, it probably wouldn’t have gotten that IRL anyway. Instead have it restricted to APDS, PISH, & HEAT.
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Same, the T-80s and leopard 2Ks absolutely kick this things ass.
Honestly just remove the APFSDS, it probably wouldn’t have gotten that IRL anyway. Instead have it restricted to APDS, PISH, & HEAT
I wouldn’t be against this if they kept it at 9.7 and removed the L23 on the tank, APDS would first need to be fixed however since it’s absolute ass in-game.
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I’ve had no issues with the thing, other than the APDS being inconsistent and the APFSDS being inconsistent but less.
Also I swear volumetric had to have been changed recently, I just finished using the 4030 to grind out the TTD and i was getting constant ghost rounds left and right. There were like 5 instances just today of my round vanishing. Including one where I hit a BMP-3 directly in the side and it did absolutely nothing.
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No they do not, like at all, russian tanks are by far the easiest to fight with it.
EDIT :
Leopard 2k is 10.0 funnily still under BR’d there IMO.
The Shir 2 if it got L23A1 would definitely be a minimum of 10.0 though now, seeing as well theres a lot of players doing really well with it then its inevitably gonna get pushed up (likely without any buffs) then left to die as its a minor nation event vehicle
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