You are lucky as shit then, every match in mine i’ve been fighting Leopard 2s and T-72 Turms.
It smashes them.bar the leopard 2 as well.
Still, take the L23, Give it the Chieftain Reload, as the Challengers lap loading training and everything hadn’t been developed by the time this tank was built, Model L15A5 properly, and move it to 9.3.
It still is just a WAY worse Challenger Mk2, the turret can’t be angled as well due to the lack of the proper composite array on the sides, leaving them fairly easy pens for alot of shells, the Mantlet is still just a huge weakspot (Which players are QUICKLY figuring out, which is making the winrates already drop hard)
its got no Thermals, where every basically every other vehicle at 10.0 will have them, Its got L23 (which it shouldn’t even have) Which will perform horribly against the tougher targets you would fight. It has no dozerblade to help eat Lower caliber rounds that otherwise would penetrate the lower plate (A big help on the Challenger MK2)
I mean when you have tanks like the Merkava being allowed to exist at 9.3, with Thermals, a similar reload rate, and a better shell in practice, i don’t see why this thing couldn’t go down.
Proof of that ? Ive got folks unable to take it out on t80UDs and 2a4s.
Its not a far worse cr1 mk2 tbh i thought it would of been worse
It does not deserve to go down realistically unless it gets both a round and reload nerf.
Thats not true either.
Leopard 2k no thermals.
8UD also has no thermals.
T72b’s also dont have them
Gen 1 thermals arent even that much of a bonus, it has fantastic optics as well far superior to the t72s and 80UD
Not really i removed it from the mk2 and survive more now than before, the dozer blade gave up my position more times than saved me.
The merkavas are fantastic and could pass at 9.7 the issue is they are extremely fragile against people with any idea how to damage them.
They also are far larger
Tbings like the savra mk1 need to move up as well
Serious question.
Do you REALLY want this thing to be Fighting T-90s?
because that is what you are advocating for.
Give it a WEEK and people are gonna figure out how to easily kill the thing, and it will go back to normal. its just the fact its a new Vehicle, people gotta learn how to deal with it.
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Im not advocating for it, i want it modelled right with the correct ammunitions and values.for them.
However i want balance in the game not a stomp fest.
The ztz99 II / III also are 11.0 with the mbt 2000 which are better than a t90, however with l23 or the addition of l23a1 this tbing can pem them.easily frontally.
The leopard 2a4 is a bigger issue for the Shir 2 than the T90.
It’s not that new at all, the cr1s are similarly armoured and people struggle with them too.
The issue is it can see 8.7 which ismt particularly balanced at all
It does not help that the Composite does not seem to be even working correctly, As i am being hit on the proper thick part of the Composite, and the shells are still going through and hurting the breach and such.
(i had repaired it by the time i took the screenshot)
Merkavas at 9.3 and 9.7 have terrible armor, bad optics, bad thermals that dont provide much benefit, long reload and mediocre mobility, if anything they should go down in br imo.
And the Fv4030 should not go down since it is already pretty much invincible in a hull down position with a good reload and shell making it very powerful at holding down a position, in an downtier to 8.3 it would be pretty busted.
Just no
They are fantastic tanks for their br with a great round and as far as im aware with an expert crew a decent reload.for the br.
The mobility isnt bad either just defent.
They have no right moving down BR at all.
The merkava round is substantially better than the l23.
The relaod is only.for three rounds in the ready rack .
I dont beliefe rhe Shir 2 should.move down at its current state, remove l23, make l15a5 a real.round not copy and paste l15a3 and change it to a chieftain reload and maybe it could be 9.3
However if it keeps the reload it unfortunately needs the l23 as itll come across 10.7
I believe itll go to 10.0 ans get l23a1 which historically makes.no sense.
Also hull down, its no where near invisible unless you rattle rounds off the turret cheeks, fire at the breach. It also has an open spot on the right cheek that the 9.0 chinese round has went through for.me a few times.
What am I looking at ?
Hit Analysis? didn’t know it was a thing?
You can now examine what tanks hit you, and what damage they did, in the hanger.
Just gotta wait for a match to end, and the pop up that shows you all your stats.
That mars Hit My turret, while it was angled back, and angled away from him, and it still went through.
Im well aware of hit analysis ive over 3000 hours in the game lad.
The picture you shared initially doesn’t show where it hit so ive nothing to work off of.
This i can work with, theres also a weak point the other side, im under the belief its done for balance but could be a model.issue.
But then we have 3bm15 going through the ufp.of a cr1 mk2 which irl it couldn’t
The T-90A isn’t even that good at 11.0 lol, and also that’s the point of a full uptier. And the T-90A is more than killable by the Shir 2 regardless.
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Yeah if you aim for Pixel perfect weakspots, and the magic Russian ERA of doom doesn’t eat your round.
Give it L23A1 since L23 is a fake round and move it to 10.0
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L23 is a real Round, it just was replaced super quickly due to the fact it was garbage at actually penetrating angles, to a point where L15A5 was actually better than it.
They had to redo the Tungsten alloy that made up the Penetrator to allow the shell to perform how they wanted, Thus creating the L23A1 round.
L23 had a little over a year in Service after being introduced in late 1983, and replaced early in 1985. Most rounds of L23 were rebuilt into L23A1 through a program to replace the Penetrator.
Even then the Shir 2 here Predates L23 and L23A1 by a couple years, it should be a L15A5 only tank.
Couldn’t agree more tbh.
The ztz 99 II anf III are far bigger problems (i believe should be 11.3)
The full lfp? Massive breach weak point and the driver port ? Even with l23a1 the weak point is the same.
Im inclined to agree.
Realistically shir 2 never used l23 or the real.l23a1 and would be limited to l15a5 and the heat etc
Theoretically with a chieftain reload it could fit into 9.3 as a slight upgrade to the khalid worse round Better armour?
Yet to find a source that backs this claim up.
The l15a5 was used in service until 1983/4 when L23A1 went into service
Even per the imperial war museum “l23” is l23a1 , they are rhe same round, ive yet to see an official source to say the l23 was worse than l15 and was in service before the a1 version
L15a5 was a fabulous round for its time and the shir 2 predates as you said both the potentially fabricated l23 and real 23a1, however it is missing its heat and HE tested fir it.
Tomorrow in going to order a book on the chieftains that covers the L11 cannon in depth