We have yet another USSR SPAA coming to the game when they are one of the largest SPAA lines in the game as it is if not the largest already. We are NOT getting SPAA for other nations besides potentially a single copypaste vehicle for italy, potentially.
Other issue? The shilka is just another example of how in the past 2-3 years gaijin almost always takes the easy way out regarding developing new content by reusing old assets EVERY time they can by copy pasting vehicles that already exist and barely modifying them and calling it a brand new vehicle. The new shilka without radar is not a new vehicle, its a shilka without a radar.
Other examples of this also include the Finnish line, the Hungarian line, and the new benelux line. They’re almost all just full copypaste so that gaijin can say they “added something” without actually adding anything but more filler that dilutes the game.
Solution: Stop adding copypaste as a rule and start adding new and interesting vehicles on a regular basis. You (gaijin) did this prior to 2021, do it again.
Oh and the bias in the title is because its yet again another USSR vehicle. Kinda funny how disproportionate the additions are to the game that they usually favor one nation…
If you want to discuss/argue about anything below though do it about the fact copypaste is rampant and not about the other part of the post, I care less about that, though it’s still relevant to bring up.
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Britain’s hole of 7.7 is 8.3 due to APDS.
And USA’s hole of 5.7 is present because Skink went to Britain.
That’s it. Italy’s correctly getting its singular hole filled with OSA, not sure how that’s a bad thing.
So what if Soviets get a 2nd 7.7 SPAA? There are only 2 important holes left in War Thunder SPAA outside top BR for all 10 tech trees.
Only the Hungarian line is.
Finnish as a whole is half unique vehicles.
And Benelux is mostly unique vehicles.
Most vehicles in all major updates since 2021 have been unique vehicles, even when Hungary was added [the only copy-paste sub-tree], most vehicles of that update were unique vehicles.
As for “disproportionate additions”, that’d be China, France, and Germany according to the leak list you’re obviously citing.
Soviets are being treated equally to Japan according to your source.
New 3D model and textures to the new aircraft standard:
Spitfire FR MkXIVe; The only other one is an old 3D model & textured aircraft you can’t purchase anymore.
Ah, he conceded that his post was incorrect with an edit.
Good, cause it’s obvious to everyone that checks this page that copy-paste isn’t “rampant”. https://wiki.warthunder.com/Category:Updates
It’s nice that the wiki team adds every vehicle from every update.
That is so factually untrue. France is missing a good SPAA between 6.0 and 8.7(!!!), the USA doesn’t have a non 40mm SPAA between 2.7 and 7.7, Japan is missing anything between 5.3 and 8.3, and Britain is missing one between 5.3 and 8.3.
Out of all nations, the USSR was not the one that needed a new SPAA.
France has a SPAA for 6.7: TPK. Cause technologically speaking, the difference between 5.7 CAS and 6.7 CAS is nothing, and SPAA is balanced for CAS at its BR cause reasons.
7.7 I guess you’re correct, but I lack a slot for SPAA even if one was added:
Which entirely explains why I completely forgot that France doesn’t have a SPAA for 7.7… cause I can’t fit one even if one was added.
Japan also has one for its 6.7 lineup: SUB-1-2.
Japan has a minor 7.3 lineup that people should skip for the superior 8.3 lineup, cause even if a SPAA was added at 7.7 it wouldn’t be usable.
I agree with this, USSR isn’t suffering from SPAA vehicles. Really wish a good portion who work on coding/making the design/drawing or whatever they do for the USSR vehicles go support the other nations to speed up the process or something.
Vehicles aren’t added because tech trees are suffering.
Vehicles are added cause Gaijin developers found a neat vehicle they wanted in the game.
Vehicles have not ever been added to War Thunder just to “fill holes” and having that mentality is toxic.
Type 74E wouldn’t have been added under the “fill holes” mindset.
Nor would TKX P.
You’re right that the difference is minimal, but CAS absolutely wrecks non-Radar SPAA. 7.7 is what really lacks SPAA, because there is no way to combat aircraft without using a plane of your own.
Why would you run the Foch at 7.7, but not the Surbaisse?
Some CAS at 8.3 wrecks non-radar SPAA.*
Fixed it for you.
For 7.7 there’s F-84G as you see in my French lineup.
Its maximum dive-bomb distance is around 1km… M163’s maximum engagement range against a bombing aircraft is 2.5km.
CCIP is required for bombing distances up to 2.5km [105G’s maximum distance], and that distance is usually not as accurate as you want it to be.
The Walleye’s distance? 4km max.
You don’t get serious stand-off capability until you’re in the Stinger range of SPAA.
CAS is only OP at and above 11.3 for a reason.
Dive bomb distance for props BTW is ~800 meters IF they have a 1000 pound bomb, which is how when I finally found out how to use bofors made my job easy. Cause except for strategic bombers, dive bombers are easy to frag.
They are, they’ve done this every update but people seem to forget.
Some holes take longer to find vehicles as well, and the 3D modeling teams, and the programmers are going to work on the greenlit vehicles the research team passed to them while the research team finishes finding vehicles to fill holes.
Surbaisse is spaded and goes in the slot where EBR is currently.
Any decent CAS player can very easily dodge any non-radar SPAA. The only SPAA that is actually a danger are ones with armour that you can’t easily strafe, but even then, they can be dodged without a ton of difficulty. I don’t understand how you can think that CAS doesn’t completely dominate SPAA below 7.0.
Ok? It’s a radar SPAA, so it is actually not terrible against aircraft.
And it’s also quite easy to just not get shot at, and to go for SPAA that aren’t paying attention.
It’s also OP below 7.7 because of how hard it is to counter fast props and early jets.
The only SPAA I am actually worried about are the M247, the Gepard/similar vehicles, and the Soviet 23mm ones at 6.X.
Im not happy that the USSR is getting another SPAA either. The Osa is not needed, same with the M2. I would rather the develumpment effort be put into new IFV’s or older SPAA’s for the 5.7 lineup. After the BTR-ZD BR increase the T-34-85 has no SPAA that is close to its BR without uptiering it.
Literally 3 nations are getting this, and Germany does need it. At least this time they are actually adding it to the USSR which created it (Been over a year and the tor hasn’t been added)
Cause that’s the BRs I’ve been playing for the last 5 months as I get Israel, Italy, and China to completion.
No, the dangerous SPAA are semi-skilled players that don’t fire until you’re within range, cause it’s too late to strafe them, and it’s impossible to dodge semi-decent SPAA players.
It’s only easy to dodge bad SPAA skills, just as it’s only easy at 11.3+ to frag bad CAS skill.
Being mad at new vehicles is dumb.
lol CAS is UNKILLABLE at 11.3+. Not just OP, physically unkillable if ANY player applies any basic tactics.
True, but even then, aircraft have the advantage over SPAA.
We must be playing very different games then, because whenever I use cas at lower BRs, only aircraft shoot me down. SPAA are incredibly weak, and are very difficult to actually use. Plus the rewards for using them are awful.
Other countries should have a large number of unique vehicles like South Africa’s technology tree. Although some vehicles in South Africa are terrible, they are at least not Copypaste
I agree, I think the south africa subtree was the only one that was any good of an addition because of how many unique vehicles came from it. The rest of the ground subtrees have all been straight copypaste save for a few hungarian ww2 vehicles
No, they really don’t.
You know how many times I’ve died to CAS as a SPAA? Effectively zero, I get strafed in tanks more often and that’s rare too. Maybe once every 10 battles I’ll get strafed in a normal tank.
All those deaths to tanks.
I died once to an aircraft in Vidar, and at most 3 times in Kugelblitz.
R3 and AMX were used as anti-tank roles, got strafed in R3 a few times, but no memory of AMX.
A good SPAA player, or in my case a mediocre SPAA player, should all adopt the “don’t fire unless aircraft is close” practice.
ZSU’s trash radar [think M163’s radar], and that was used when it was in my 8.3 lineup cause I liked its guns more than ZSU-23’s.
You know what the primary difference between getting good in planes and SPAA was?
You got to practice in air RB AND ground RB for planes.
You only get practice in some ground matches for most SPAA players unless they willingly choose to practice in ground arcade.
