Who in their right mind decided that SPAAs and SPGs from the 60s should be put in 7.3 br with ww2 planes? They are so annoying; whichever team has these on their side basically easily shot down all the planes in the match with some exceptions it’s ridiculous that it hasn’t been nerfed when it’s just a seal clubber that has very few counters at its BR in a slight downteir.
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7.3 is barely a ww2 br, its like 50/50 super late ww2 early cold war br or do you mean in regards to them being able to fight 6.3 if so thats just how the BR system works, theres not really a problem here stuff will always be able to fight other stuff
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There is a swedish IFV from the 60s at 2.3. His point stands. WW2 br is polluted with cold war AA. Some are balanced due to low fire rate, some are insane, having 1000 rpm facing slow ww2 props should just not be a thing.
He’s wrong in the br he talks about which is pretty much only cold war at that point, but in essence, right about space traveling cold war AAs/SPGs.
Unfortunately that will never be addressed, not only does gaijin not care about WW2 anymore but even if they did they’d have to remove/change so many tanks it’s just not worth it at this point.
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there werent really that many ww2 AA though (at least not SPAA that would actually work in the game) so if there werent we get even bigger gaps than we already have, america would basically only have the m16, russia would basically only have the zis 94km and so on
plus the BR system exists for a reason its to make sure that things are overall balanced such as
even at 2.3 its not exactly good, not really that much different to any of the german 20mm autocannons at similar or lower BRs (only real difference is that it has way more ammo per reload) so no his point doesnt stand because they arent really broken
because it doesnt need to be imo, if you want to larp at ww2 go play sim battles, this isnt a dedicated ww2 game and never really has been (at least not for the last like over 10 years)
I was trying to play British and France 6.7; that is horrible. The only thing I can expect is using CAS against that heavy armor, and then Cold War SPAAs and SPGs make that useless. Using Spitfire or Lancaster to against them is so crazy I can’t believe why there are so many players still complaining that CAS is OP, at least I have no idea how use Spitfires or anything in British TT to bomb a target when there is PGZ88 or something
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They we have:
That is hard to understand when people say cold SPAAs are reasonable to appear in WWII, but not for CAS, most of cold SPAA in WWII are pretty good, even some of WWII SPAAs like T77E1 or Skink, he just provide a pretty bad example there, like 152D or something around 5.0-5.7 has already make some problem, which make planes hard to survive
That is also not the reason only let Cold War SP AA be able to in such low BR to again WWII aircraft only
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there are also some cold war aircraft at that BR
most AA in general are pretty good if you know what youre doing (which many people dont), and yet there will always be a time where your team just doesnt have any and then you all start getting bombed
Ehh, we’ve got cold war SPAAG’s as low as 3.3 BR (also Sweden at 2.3 although armament is WWII era, so I disregard that), similar SPG/SPH from 4.0 (or lower for sweden) an 6.0 for HE-VT ammunition. All of which are decently powerful against the aircraft of the BR’s with only two nations without such SPAAG’s (somehow only America & Germany, how daft), these are however also fighting cold war aircraft in the form of turboprops in a few trees (example the Wyvern S.4, the new IA.58, the later BR A2D-1).
Still it has baffled me for years how much the GF players have got themselves hung up on era of equipment, yet it’s around BR 7.0 where most modes entre the cold war era in which aircraft & armoured vehicles. Funny thing is that new Thai L39 is just a counter to those 7.0 SPAAG’s yet logically there’s heavy community backlash hah hah.
(Don’t mean for this to become another thread for that aircraft specifically, it’s just a counter example to the current at BR SPAAG’s.)
Anywho, it might be time to research newer aircraft for your lineups to counter 7.0+ aircraft & using different tactics to counter such BR SPAAG’s over relying on older equipment.
Was meant to post an hour ago, several fix ups just now.
Before we got IA-58 or L39, we didn’t have too many, just close to the 1950s, with typical WWII weapons, but that’s not for these Cold War SPAAs/ SPGs; their weapons are much more efficient
That’s players’ problem, when you have that but didn’t use that or use that correctly, but pretty hard tos ee, considering most of times players are able to respawn spaas at least 3 times, then CAS’s situation is getting worse( yes Gaijin nerfed CAS over and over again to satisfy some players when they get bombed but don’t want to respawn anything)
I just wanna laugh at someone complaining about the L39s, because they don’t respawn any planes to shoot down a plane, which is worse than most props around that BR. SPAAs around 6.3-7.7 already make CAS close to like Kamikaze(only one chance to bomb something and then be shot down immediately by someone)
L39 added is to counter those OP SPAAs; at least request players to try some fighters at first, same as IA58, I know Gaijin nerfed the CAS system due to their silly decisions before,[ such as Yak9k with APHE but using HE’s code or KH38, but as they add more better SPAAs and fixed the Bug, they should realized how bad the CAS is, espially for normal CAS players, we can’t expect them just waste over 600 SP and the just bomb a spaa
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Ahhh yes, the old “just grind an entire tech tree you don’t like so you can play a vehicle you are not interested in because CAS players are to lazy to dodge the giant glowing stream of bullets flying at them” argument.
I could just as easily ask if SPAAs are too strong for you, have you considered playing air? Oh, CAS has a hard time in ARB? Well
Then!
Ah also the old “because CAS players are lazy to dodge bullets.” What are we playing? Sounds like CAS players have “bullet time” or The ”Matrix“? or some cheating that aware someone is aiming then and sure that will hit them after few sec later? I don’t want to play something which might make me stronger then I have to ask other don’t play it as well? What kind of strange logic is that?
So you mean we don’t need to consider any players when they are uptier; they have to do nothing, even the CAS? Does CAS have a hard time with ARB? of course! even worse. If Ground players are afraid of CAS, do they have to consider the GAB or GSB? Lmao
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No, because both of then have CAS, even Assault arcade has AI CAS that kills people.
it you cant move a meter or 2 in the 2 or 3 seconds it takes the bullets to get to you that is entirely on you.
Me 262, F-80A-5 and Meteor all see 7.3.
But much harder, the loadouts in GAB are useless, and then in GSB, you know how hard to control them.
2m? even let you run 200m doesn’t matter; whatever you want to doge, then they will coverd
Thats why i said some cold war AAs are balanced at ww2 brs because they dont have insane fire rate.
Never said it was good. It breaks immersion, and other vehicles with similar weapons are outright op as AA. I dont have much love for cas but seeing a 60s autocannon shooting them down with no problem because of modern round (high velocity) and crazy fire rate as opposed to ww2 guns (all 20mils were given 1000rpm not long ago) is not ok either.
Uhhh are we playing the same game ooooor…
As I said they’ve slowly moved away from WW2 but it still very much is a ww2 game at its core and forever will, hence why they should give it a little bit of love.
Perhaps remove some stuff and add ww2 tanks to replace them (like the 10 bajillion cold war SPGs that couldve been WW2 ones).
okay? did you read what i said? its a very mixed br
well you see all those ww2 guns are at like 3.7 (apart from like the skink and german spaa so its either that or they dont get shot down by AA at all
sorry i never specified, its not a dedicated ww2 game its a very broadly focused vehicle combat game, which is very clearly shown in the more recent trailers as opposed to one from 11 years ago
yes undeniably, but that doesnt mean that there cant be cold war vehicles fighting ww2 vehicles
balance vs immersion is a scale and warthunder seems to prefer the balance side (as opposed to immersion, im not talking about the actual current balance of the game, though its actually very good till like 9.7 imo)
Yes, you said it was barely a WW2 BR. I responded by sharing multiple WW2 vehicles at that BR.
yes, its barely a ww2 br compared to like 5.7, i also said immediately after:
(like literally immediately after, like in the same sentence)
so i do get the feeling you didnt really read what i said
Good for what? The most serious BR compression is from 6.7-9.0, from WWII to cold war, each 0.3 BR which make some vhicles get extreme advantages, like M26s and T54/55s