A few of the mentioned vehicles, particularly the Belgian CSE-90LP carriers and the 3010 patria, seem like obvious choices to fill tt gaps (stab. tanks below 10.0 for the french tree, and an IR manpads for the Swedish) and i hope that they are at least considered by gaijin
I think the french should 100% get more vehicles below 10.0 but I feel like models using the TML105 turret would be better, as it’s a indigenous french design that provides that sweet sweet stabilized 105 gameplay that the french don’t get.
(I believe the TML turret was used on the CV90, Mars 15, and Amx10RC chassis)
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Thanks for including my suggestion! Much appreciated! :D
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Yup and i’ll gladly take help wherever info is missing
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Just to clear any confusion regarding CM 90/CSE 90/CSE 90LP turrets because you mixed up some pics there
The CM 90 turret is the first one and is recognizable with the standard Cockerill Mk. 3 gun with the triple-baffle muzzle brake. It can only fire chemical rounds and only has a laser rangefinder as an option.
The CSE 90 is basically the same but with a Mk. 3MA-1 gun with the single-baffle muzzle brake that can fire M652 APFSDS. It has a laser rangefinder and optional thermal sights.
The CSE 90LP is the modern one that can be seen today on Cockerill’s website, it doesn’t have the small flat turret cheeks like on the two previous ones, it has LRF and thermal sights but it still isn’t stabilized.
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I’ll sort them out later today. Can you say which pics are wrong? I know the m113 is wrong, but I’m still looking through all 90mm turrets.
The FAMAE Piraña is an old CSE 90, the Cardoen Piraña is a CM 90 and i doubt the first Badak picture is the modern CSE 90LP but im not sure
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Can anyone identify this turret on this Greek Leonidas-2 APC? Said to be the EWS with 25mm Bushmaster but it looks different to the standard EWS turret (if there even is a standard? I mean for vehicles like the YPR-765), some sort of prototype maybe? Or if you have any more info on the turret, would be handy.
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I’d be surprised if that was Cockerill
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You’re right, I confused it with something else, my bad
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This is a LAV 700 C3105 which was a Belgian Canadian export to Saudi Arabia. Here are more photos:
This. I don’t know what chassis it is but for whatever reason it is using the L3 Harris MX-GCS sights, or ‘off-brand PASEO’:
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Thanks, I have corrected it.
Yeah, I was a bit confused at that one, as the first vehicle they put the 3105 on was a piranha V, but all sites used that picture, and from that cropped angle the hull for the LAV and the piranha V looked exactly the same.
I just also discovered that the 3030 turret was also used on the LAV 700:
It’s quoted as being:
- LAV prototype
- Piranha III Desert version prototype
- Desert Piranha V prototype
It definitely looks like a mash between the Piranha III Base model and the Piranha V (looking at exhaust location, nose, headlights, wheels, etc. , but with some weird changes…
It’s the Piranha IIIH.
Pictures from the early trials:
Spoiler
And one from Eurosatory 2016
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I mean, the LAV 700 and final assembly with the turret took place in Canada.
Only because Cockerill was sanctioned at the time and couldn’t directly export the vehicle to Saudi Arabia. Everything else was carried out by Cockerill.
“Everything else” besides the manufacture, design of the finished system, system integration, and ultimate contract through the Canadian Commercial Corporation. I get that it’s a matter of national pride but you’re misinforming people.
The 3105 looks like what the Boxer is going to get in game.
Hey again,
The article you list is fairly ambiguous on who the subcontractor is (Amnesty International France, 2020), but I understand how you could take the quote either way. It even goes on to say that Cockerill was charged with delivering 700 turrets to equip the 928 Canadian vehicles to be sent to Riyadh:
“Un contrat de sous-traitance avec la firme canadienne General Dynamics Land System-Canada (GDLS-C) pour un montant de 4,5 milliards d’euros. Elle est chargée de livrer environ 700 tourelles-canons pour équiper les 928 véhicules blindés légers canadiens envoyés à Riyad.”
However, Chase and LeBlanc (2016) clarify that GDLS-C and CMI Defence are contractor and subcontractor respectively:
“Some of the armoured combat vehicles Canada is selling to Saudi Arabia in a controversial $15-billion arms deal will feature medium- or high-calibre weapons supplied by a European subcontractor – such as a powerful cannon designed to shoot anti-tank missiles.”
“Details about the turreted weapons have been slow to emerge because both General Dynamics Land Systems (Canada) and its Belgian supplier CMI Defence, part of CMI Groupe, are saying little about the contract and subcontract.”
The “contract of the century” quote in the Amnesty International France article comes from this article by RTBF, who state that Cockerill is the subcontractor to GLDS-C (RTBF, 2014):
“En fait, l’entreprise sérésienne est sous-traitant pour le compte d’un groupe canadien. Mais cette commande est capitale: elle consacre la montée en puissance de la branche militaire de la société CMI.”
In fact, the contract for sale to the Saudis was renegotiated by the Canadian federal government (Sevunts, 2020) after the breakdown of trade relations following Jamal Khashoggi’s assassination. Canadian Commercial Corporation is listed as the prime contractor (Chase, 2015) (Perry, 2016).
As well, GDLS owns the license to the finished product as they continue to market it, specifically with the Brazilian Army’s VBC-Cav MSR program.
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References:
Amnesty International France. (2020). Armes la France, terre d’accueil. Amnesty International. Retrieved from: [Révélations] En France, un centre de formation pour des soldats saoudiens - Amnesty International France
Chase, S. (2015). Ottawa’s arms deal with Saudi Arabia contingent on secrecy. The Globe and Mail. Retrieved from: Ottawa's arms deal with Saudi Arabia contingent on secrecy - The Globe and Mail
Chase, S. & LeBlanc, D. (January 6, 2016). Armoured vehicles in Saudi deal will pack lethal punch. The Globe and Mail. Retrieved from: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/armoured-vehicles-in-saudi-deal-will-pack-lethal-punch/article28046099/
RBTF. (August, 2014). L’entreprise sérésienne CMI décroche un “contrat du siècle” en Arabie. RBTF. Retrieved from: L'entreprise sérésienne CMI décroche un 'contrat du siècle' en Arabie - RTBF Actus
Perry, D. (March 21, 2016). The other side of Canada’s deal with the Saudis. Vanguard Canada. Retrieved from: The other side of Canada’s deal with the Saudis – Vanguard
Sevunts, L. (April 10, 2020). Canada cuts new deal with Saudi Arabia, clearing way for more arms sales. Radio Canada International. Retrieved from: https://www.rcinet.ca/en/2020/04/10/canada-cuts-new-deal-with-saudi-arabia-clearing-way-for-more-arms-sales/
That’s because it literally is:
The ammunition choices and the addition of the LWS can be argued about, but it very much is the 3105 turret made by Cockerill.
Nice, I didn’t actually know, so…