China does not possess a single competitive vehicle above 14.0

I think the main issue with the J-10C is its poor maneuverability. It feels noticeably worse than the J-10A at both high and low speeds, and only slightly better in sustained turn rate.

I’m not saying the J-10A was overpowered, but at 13.7 it was very competitive. The J-10C, compared to the other 14.3 aircraft, just doesn’t feel competitive.

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What 500 kg does to a mf.

It’s like going from the su-27 to the su-30sm

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containership handling, J-10C pilots in shambles after aircraft carrier wins dogfight

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700kg after nerf.

but the j-10C has more thrust than the j-10A.

u only play with su30mkk

Just like nobody knows anything about other ECM systems, Gaijin is already investing in this status, the difference is that they neglect China.

To be honest. I really hope not. Because we’ve already seen them actively do that with BOL and the result sucks, not only because its really unfair for them to claim this:

and then model things based upon balance not IRL performance, but that it more often than not affects way more than just the “good” vehicles. Nerfing BOL to nerf the Gripen nearly rendered the VIggens, Tonka ADVs and Harriers that are dependent on BOL, DOA.

So no, either add ECM in a generalised manner where its basically the same on all aircraft (kinda like how all flares and chaff are the same between nations) or make it as accurate as possible with available information. Im guessing the reality for new stuff will be somwhere in the middle. But ive had enough fo them artificially nerfing the Typhoon with one hand and then claiming they dont artificially nerf vehicles with the other

Gajin doesn’t neglect china. Hell china was the only country this pass update that got a rework on their vehicles and they became better.

how did they do it with pl12?

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which vehicles became better?

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What?

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The ztz vt4 and wz1001 saw a rework to the armor schemes and internals, all of the vehicles were given smaller weakspots with better armor coverage, Italy and Japan also got reworks which ended up hurting their tanks, Italy barely got any armor and was given a turret rotation nerf that cripples its ability to target others, Japan was just given a turret basket but no fixes to its model or other known bugs with the tank.

Out of japan italy, france and china all received updates to their tank models the chinese are the only tanks that actively got better. Italy received a tiny amount of armor for a decent nerf in turret rotation, japan and france saw the addition of turret baskets with no fixes on bugs prevalent in the tank. China received a new model that increased armor coverage and decreased the size of weakpoints.

I’m talking about the tanks but honest to god this is skill issue with the pl 12 I have gotten kills with it since the update in air rb and I suck balls at air rb.

Thats not a good way to judge.
I get kills with sparrows all.the time but thats because players dont just roll.

Sparrows are still garbage, like the pl12s

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PL-12 went from 3rd best Fox-3 to one of the worst
It’s a valid thing to be upset about

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b-b-b-b-b-b-but the top tier MBTs weakspots went from football fields to slightly smaller football fields!

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Is this post not about air realistic battle? (also idk much about ground)

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I dont play China, so I dont have any stake in this

Thats rather irrelevant. I get gun kills in the Tonka, it doesnt mean the Tonka is a good dogfighter that should be trying to Gunfight reguarly.

What matters is if the changes to the PL-12 and PL-12A had any basis in reality. I personally suspect that in the process of fixing some instability issues they nerfed the missile considerably (intentionally or accidentally, I dont know) and it is in need of notable fixes

I personally consider the J-10C with original performance PL-12As perfectly acceptable for 14.3. But the J-15T does look to be lacking at the moment, perticuarly for 14.7.

So J-15T probably needs a BR drop and PL-12/PL-12A need to be looked at again, though so do a lot of top tier missiles like the AMRAAM.

There are gamemodes besides GRB, I know shock horror to a ground main. But they do exist and not everything should revolve around GRB

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In the past two weeks, I have hardly seen anyone believe that the changes to PL-12 are correct and appropriate, but gaijin has still not given any valuable response.
This is so frustrating.