The tank has different names depending on the source, but M-50 was what the Chilean army to which the tank belonged called it, so I used the official name in Chile.
Here is a photo of the insignia that these tanks wore where you can see the name
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The ranks from 1 to 3 in my suggestion is in the hypothetical case that Israel gets those ranks too, otherwise they can simply skip and start from rank 4, anyway this is a sub tree and the sub trees that are present in the game usually have important jumps in their BR, for example the Finnish subtree that jumps from BR 1.7 to 3.7 or the recent Hungarian subtree that also has jumps in BR. This Chilean sub tree has but the jumps are not that big, and in rank 3 of the Chilean sub tree you do not have to copy and paste, they are vehicles that are not in the game and 2 of them are built in Chile, in conclusion if Israel gets its Own vehicles of range I-III, these from Chile would be a good complement.
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Yeah it looks like I’ve underestimated the sloped performance of the M300. That being said, there are still plenty of vehicles at or below 7.0 with HEAT-FS or APDS (Charioteer) with similar or better performance at all angles. These vehicles are also all significantly more mobile than the M24 and most have better, albeit still poor, armour.
Considering this and with the M41A1 being 6.3 now (something I had forgotten about in my previous post) I think the M24 HVMS would fit best at 6.7. The M-60 would be 6.3 (it’s unstabilized, offering only muzzle velocity and reload advantages over the M-51) and M41 HVMS would be 7.7 assuming it’s twin-plane stabilized like the M24. Otherwise, 7.3.
The FV 101 Scorpion only has HE and a HESH shell with a relatively low muzzle velocity of 543m/s and 80mm of pen. This isn’t great especially considering the HESH nerf a few months ago. Combined with a maximum rate of fire of 6RPM (10s) I’d like to see it at 5.0 (reserve) TT. There it could form a lineup with the M-1 Sherman (M4A1 76) and M-50 (M4A4 SA-50) as the new reserve tier for Israel.
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I know that the Finnish tree has a jump to you have some other vehicles in the eras to help earn ex for the higher era vechicles. The subtree looks good but would either need other rank I-III tanks or to skip the first 3 eras
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Look at the insignia tank model. In that decal. The Gun is the CN 75-50/SA-50/SA-50 L/75 which are all correct names. This is because Chilie…wait no I’m hungry, I meant Chile bought the M-50 from the Israelis. So any designation they had for the tanks was before the gun was replaced. since the gun was originally the 75mm then over time they changed it to the 60mm HVSM.
So its official designation is still the M-60 as that is what the vehicle was named after.
M-60->Model-60->referring to the 60mm gun just like how the 50 was taken from the name of the 75mm cannon hense “M-50”. So your designations you likely created are probably correct as well. However, it is confusing since we know it as the M-60. Just like how we call the FCM 36 Conehead or the VFW the toaster. Nicknames for simply their appearance is how we ended up remembering that they exist.
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As I mentioned before, the BRs can be changed and in the event that Gaijin decides to implement any of these vehicles, they can change the BR as they want, the FV-101 Scorpion from Chile has a better engine, night vision scope and laser rangefinder to take this into account. I am also going to attach a photo with the HVMS 60 cannon ammunition and the Scorpion ammunition.
Ammunition and characteristics of the IMI HVMS 60 mm cannon:
Ammunition of the FV-101 Scorpion:
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Ah, a laser rangefinder changes things for sure.
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Regarding whether Chile has more IFVs, it actually has more but I did not want to include them because they have a similar armament to the Piranha 6x6 KUKA. one of them would be the M113 A2 with a 25mm Oerlikon KBA-B cannon and the other is the YPR-765 with a 25mm Oerlikon KBA-B02 cannon, there was also a Piraña 6x6 with a 20mm Oerlikon KAA cannon but I also did not want to add it so as not to have so many vehicles with similar weapons. They could also be added to this sub tree if desired. Regarding the BR of these 3 vehicles, I am not very sure but I accept suggestions.
M113A2 ABL KUKA
- Crew:
- 2 (driver, gunner and 12 soldiers.)
- Armament:
- Primary: Oerlikon KBA-B 25mm gun (KUKA turret)
- Secondary: 2 × Wegmann 76mm quadruple smoke launchers
- Dimensions:
- Length: 4.8m
- Width: 2.6m
- Height: 2.5m
- Weight: Combat weight 11.2 tons.
- Maneuverability:
- Engine: Detroit Diesel 6V-53T with 6 cylinders that develops a power of 275 CV at 2,800 rpm.
- Maximum speed: 60.7 km/h.
- Power/weight: 18.51 hp/t.
- Suspension: torsion bars.
- Transmission: Allison TX-100-1A automatic with three forward gears and one reverse.
- Fuel capacity: 360 liters.
- Autonomy: 480 kilometers.
- Slope: 60%
- Side slope: 30%
- Vertical obstacle: 0.6 meters.
YPR-765
- Crew:
- 3 (driver, gunner and commander, plus seven soldiers.)
- Armament:
- Primary: Turret and a 25mm anti-tank KBA-B02 cannon
- Secondary: two turret-mounted triple smoke grenade launchers.
- Dimensions:
- Length: 5.2m
- Width: 2.8m
- Height: 2.7m
- Weight: Combat weight 13.6 tons
- Maneuverability:
- Engine: Detroit Diesel 6V-53T that develops a power of 264 hp at 2,800 rpm
- Top speed: 61.2km/hr
- Transmission: Allison TX-100-1A automatic with three forward gears and one reverse
- Power to Weight Ratio: 13.69
- Suspension: torsion bars
- Fuel capacity: 416 liters
- Autonomy: 490 kilometers
- Slope: 60%
- Side slope: 30%
- Vertical obstacle: 0.6 meters
- Ditch clearance: 1.6 meters
- Rolling: Tractor tracks with five rolling wheels on each side, rear idler wheel and front drive wheel
Piraña 6x6 KAA 20 mm
- Crew:
- 3 (driver, gunner, commander)
- Armament:
- Primary: GAD-AOA turret with an Oerlikon KAA 20-mm Autocannon
- Dimensions:
- Length: 5.97 m
- Width: 2.5 m
- Height: 1.85 m (without weapons)
- Weight: Total combat weight: 10.500 kg
- Maneuverability:
- Engine: Detroit diesel 6V-53T
- Horse Power: 300 HP/2800 RPM
- Max. speed on roads: 100 km/h
- Speed in water: 10.5 km/h
- Gear box: Allison MT-653
- Type: Automatic
- Gears: 5+1
- Fuel tank capacity: 400 lts.
- Range: 1,200 km.
- Max. gradient: 70%
- Lateral inclination: 30%
- Maximum obstacle height: 0,5 ms
- Turning circle: 11,3 ms
- Additional system: fire extinguishing system that is activated in the engine once it exceeds a certain temperature. Amphibious capability.
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Chile also had a CARDEN-LIOYD MK VI that can be considered Chile’s first armored vehicle since it was acquired in 1936 and that could be added to this sub tree in the lower BRs, it had a .303 Vickers machine gun but was later installed in Chile a 57 mm M-18 anti-tank gun. anyway I leave the specifications here. If it were added as an anti tank in BR 1.0 or similar to that it would be a good addition and it would be a unique vehicle.
CARDEN-LIOYD MK VI
- Crew:
- 2 (driver, gunner)
- Armament:
- Primary: M-18 57mm
- Dimensions:
- Length: 2.46 m
- Width: 1.75m
- Height: 1.22m
- Weight: 1.5t
- Maneuverability:
- Engine: Ford T 40hp
- Speed: 40km/h
- Weight/power: 26.6 hp/t
- Suspension: bogie
- Autonomy: 140 km
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Still, in my opinion, it would make people buy premiums for it and the first eras would be pure grind to get anything higher tier without premium. Tho I like the idea of this subtree
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I added new vehicles along with their respective data and sources, added various paint schemes of many of the vehicles on the list and modified some BRs.
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I added a new premium vehicle along with its respective technical data and sources. In this case it was the prototype of the Marder 1A3 SLM modified in Chile by Famae to convert it into an infantry vehicle with 70 mm rocket launcher.
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I added the descriptions of each vehicle so that the people who read this suggestion have more information about these vehicles, such as the history, characteristics, modifications, etc.
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M-50 would refer to the tank however we all call it the M-60. Other it becomes confusing. Since the M-50 is associated with the M-50 Super Sherman tank used by Israel. I get your wanting to keep it consistent but honestly just put a /M-60 next to it otherwise your gonna have us keep asking for you to “add the M-60”
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I understand what you are saying, I also understand that the Israelis called it M-50 when they used the other cannon, it’s just that it is difficult to give it a name that is 100% correct, although I wouldn’t mind if it were called M-60, that name It would give a more unique and differentiable name from all the other models. If one day that Chilean tank is integrated, let Gaijin do his research and decide what name to give it. Anyway, here I will leave a photo that I downloaded from Instagram of the official army profile where they also named it M-50 (the white letters are original from the publication).
I will leave the link to the original Instagram post too:
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Chilean just edit your tech tree image, and put M-50/M-60 in its name. That way it isn’t confused with the M-50 tank which at a time Chilie did use before upgunning and other modifications.
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Okay, I will change the name to M-60 HVMS but at some point in the future, I may have to modify something or add more information about the modernization of the Leopard 2A4CHL and I will take advantage of that moment to modify what you ask of me. I would also have to do it with my individual suggestion for that tank and I would have to ask a moderator to change its name in the Chile list.
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As long as you make it clear what the platform was originally we get it.
M113A2 with KBA would be 6.3 likely. I made a suggestion for the similar M113 1/2 CV for the American Tech Tree but it unfortunately disappeared after being approved :(
Some more info on the gun and turret which are shared between the two vehicles:
Turret
It’s an Oerlikon GBD-ADA turret. This powered turret has 360 degrees of traverse and from -12 to +52 degrees of elevation. Protection only against machine gun fire.
Armament
The vehicle is armed with an unstabilized 25mm Oerlikon KBA-B. This is a slightly modified variant of the base KBA found on the Italian Sidam. It has a slightly lower fire rate of 550RPM compared to 600.
Like the standard KBA, the KBA-B is a dual-feed system. 80 M791 APDS and 120 M792 HEI-T ammunition is ready to fire.
The YPR-765 is a slight modification of the AIFV. It’d be best at 7.0.
Turret
The YPR-765 mounts an FMC EWS turret. 360 degrees traverse, -10 to +50 elevation, and IIRC a twin-plane stabilizer. Protection is rather limited, only proof against 14.5mm machine guns all-around.
Armament
The KBA-B02 is found on several vehicles in-game and offers 561RPM. It’s again dual-feed with 75 M791 and 105 M792 ready rounds. There are an additional 144 rounds in the vehicle.
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I’m not sure if the Oerlikon KBA-B exists, I tried to search for it but I couldn’t find the specific model, it isn’t in the game either, anyway everything seems to show that the M113A2 barrel is actually an Oerlikon KBA-B02 like the ones you find in the game since I made some physical comparisons between the one in the game and the real photographs of the cannon, I leave you a comparison:
Oerlikon KBA 25 mm SIDAM 25
Oerlikon KBA-B02 25 mm Type 87 BVR
Do you notice how the tip of the cannon is different? In the B02 version it protrudes at the tip as well as in the barrel of the M113A2 KUKA from Chile, so I came to the conclusion that the one from Chile is actually a B02.
Photo of the cannon of the M113A2 KUKA from Chile, you can see that the cannon is different from that of the Italian SIDAM
As for the turret, it is a GBD-AOA, here I leave a photo of its interior and its technical characteristics
So in conclusion it is the same barrel as the YPR-765 that is why I gave it a similar BR on my tree.
Anyway, thank you very much for all your information and for taking the time to explain everything in such detail, I really appreciate it.
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