Their best shell has less penetration than the chieftain’s worst shell except against flat armour or at very short range. The AMD doesn’t even have composite on the turret making its protection only a bit better than the base T-55 (at least the Chieftain can hull down!) and the composite that the vehicles do have provides only about as much protection as the base Chieftain armour. Plus, 5 degrees depression.
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The composites also make early apds shatter. Quite a bit infact. It took far too long for them to be moved up from 8.7. Its just a better cqb brawler than the mk10 which is most maps nowadays. Just works better for more maps. On maps where u can hull down the mk 10 is infinitely better but those maps are far and few between.
You forgot AMX-30 Super and OF-40 MTCA.
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hell naw, this thing sucks
gal batash though…
They are like pitbulls without teeth compare to other 9.0s lol only the T-62M1 bites, the ztz88s just beats them everywhere (they also have composite plates in the hull), be it one on one or against other vehicles, ztz88s wins. Not to mention they are also more uptier proof due to having dm23. When you played all these things you will realized that the T-55AMs are the most pathetic mbts at 9.0.
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Placing them just a single BR step below OF-40 MTCA should be a criminal offense.
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Really, USSR 9.0 is for those that have Object279. It still does its domination thing. Otherwise, China 9.0 is a straight upgrade in pretty much all departments. MBTs, IFV, SPAA, SPG, ATGM carrier. Only thing it doesn’t have is an APS boy that can swat ATGM out the sky, but the AMDs are typically on your team, anyway. Those without 279 are better served beelining straight for 9.3-9.7. Heck, China even has an Object120 on steroids at 9.0 (PTZ-89). There’s just something for everyone.
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The only reason why it may make sense to move it down to 10.0 is the fact that it still has a 6.7s reload all the way up at 10.3, and the armour can only really stop darts less than or equal to M774 (~380mm for UFP and turret cheeks), which a lot of tanks at 9.3 (let alone 9.7, 10.0, and 10.3) already surpass with DM33, DM63, etc.
It always seemed to me like a sidegrade to Leopard 2K.
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I’m thinking the 2K should be 10.3 because of how versatile it is.
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I think both should be at the same BR, which is 10.3.
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I hate facing the 2k, but there is no way its comparable to a t80ud lol. These brs are so compressed its getting a little hard to argue anything when even 0.3 br differences equate to such big br gaps. The chieftain mk10 is good but is it the same br as a t64a? In no world is it anywhere as good as a t64a.
Jesus, didnt realise they buffed the reload on the t64s as well? love that double standard where shit like the mcs and ariete p dont get the 5 second reload of their top tier counterparts but tanks even as low as the t64 in the family get the reload buff?
I wouldn’t see a problem with the 2K moving up to 10.3 if the T-80UD moves up to 10.7.
Same, buts its a whole thing which gaijin just isnt gonna do… i dont know man its just a little bleak looking at it.
T-64A was one of the shittiest 9.3 for the longest time.
Now that reload buff actually made it strong.
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Im more mad about the double standard, plus the t64a gets cool points due to how good it looks (only russian tank i can admit looks fucking sick, shame the b ruins it with era). And the t64a wasnt that bad, the turret armour makes it a little scary in a hulldown spot, especially now with that 6 second reload.
That is if you can find an appropriate spot for hull down with that gun handling.
After the reload buff it’s good, before it was subpar when compared to other things at the same BR.
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ptz-89 is really, really bad, but othewise yeah. Whole back of the turret is an ammo rack and the 120 is at a br where it has one of the only darts, giving it the advantage. PTZ 89 is just a powder keg with 300m/s over its comtemporaries.
I’m more concerned with the ztz96 vs chieftan mk10/900. Not even a comparison, the ztz takes the best aspects of both and is still better.
Properly used it is quite busted
PTZ-89 is far from being really, really bad.
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