Right, thx.
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This makes me believe that J-10B at least might be comparable in weight or even lighter than J-10A, the source goes on about how a greater amount of composites were used in the J-10B compared to the J-10A, and couple that with the fact that J-10B is using a DSI intake, which also serves as weight reduction.
J-10C is likely heavier than the J-10B given that it incorporates more ECM/avionics but it shouldn’t be anywhere near 9750kg empty like reported by Janes.
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Most likely the J-10C should be around 8,800kg imo
Page 98 of the same J-10C & J-16 Special Issue, “according to the PLAAF data released at Zhuhai and Changchun Airshows, J-10A’s empty weight is between 8.4 and 8.8 metric ton. J-10B’s DSI intake yields more than 200 kg reduction, with the application of new production technology and composites, empty weight is about 8 metric ton.”
No figure given for J-10C’s empty weight, but it says than with new avionics and materials, the early model with AL-31 will have a comparable empty weight to the 10B. The change to WS-10 engine allows the removal for an adaptor ring and associated parts so the number will be lower.
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This source contains a lot of useful information regarding J-10B, such as an improved AL-31FN (probably AL-31FN M1 or AL-31FN Series 3, I don’t know the exact designation) which provides approximately 135KN of max afterburning thrust compared to 125KN of the AL-31FN used on the J-10A.
The weight figures seem pretty reasonable, I would definitely hold onto this source for when Gaijin adds J-10B and future J-10 so that potential innaccuracies can be reported.
Also I am quite curious what the J-16 section of this source states, if possible could you also provide some information regarding those pages in the Chinese Flanker thread?
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The information in different articles within that issue kinda overlap with each other, another article conformed it to be AL-31FN-M1.
The J-16 section mentioned the maximum speed at sea level to be 1800 km/h and top speed M2.5 at altitude, maximum payload 12 meric ton, but aside from these I am not seeing much other numbers given.
I had to pay for a few bucks to get the scanned version, and the PDF file size is quite large (214 mb) so I am a bit reluctant to upload the whole thing here OxO
I also found some articles about improvements on J-11B, but again I will have to pay to get the scanned full text cuz those are old magazine issues. I’d compile a list with PDFs it ppl are willing to send a bit of GEs for the trouble since I still haven’t grind the CN tree but surely would like to get the J-10B and hopefully J-8PP someday.
Can I just ask where do u get the PDFs? I might look for them as well cause I do have a few subscriptions.
I don’t think 兵工科技 is available in academic archives such as cqvip.com. The official way would be ordering directly from the publisher, but for past issues I had to buy the scanned version from Taobao.
maybe by google drive or MEGA?
It had PESA, but got AESA when it was in production by the looks of it
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The paper talked about an AESA and I agree it could be the one used on J-10C (which is well know to be AESA), but it doesn’t mention that the J-10B switched from PESA to AESA?
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Hm, maybe there’s something I’m missing, but according to this user in 2015, it could be from the J-10B
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/t/j-10-thread-iv.7305/page-2#post-336885
Main differences between 10B and 10C are PESA+AL-31 vs AESA+WS-10 from all the Chinese sources I’ve seen, and the problem with using Chinese academic papers as sources is that 99% of the times they are very vague for OPSEC and won’t specify which vehicle they discuss. The paper does not even have a singular mention about “J-10”.
A few comments down when another user asked the OP to translate the paper he said “My grasp of the Chinese language is as good as yours”, apparently he does not even understand Chinese. Judging from the watermark he got them from Super Basecamp (超级大本营, a long gone CN military watch forum) and we can’t trace where the claim came from.
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Because China likes to hide its own military scientific achievements and then release them when they are needed. Just like our sixth-generation aircraft. It even has two scenarios.
how the j10A one circle performance compared to eurofighter
J-10A is slightly inferior ingame, unless it is very low speed, then J-10A has better stall control.
J-10B is lighter + more thrust, so it should be more competitive.
J-10A actually has a lower stall speed than the Eurofighter, suggesting more lift at high AOA but the Eurofighter just has so much thrust that it outturns J-10A anyway.
Here’s time stamped duel.
I thought the j-10b got the ws-10
the J10B has a AL-31FN series 3
J-10C is the one using WS-10B, early batch of J-10C was still using AL-31FN Series 3 or AL-31FNM1