In theory all we know is that they are a generation newer than that of flankers, but to what extent is unknown, and even that of the flankers are under heavy nerf in game. EORD-31 IRST is the name I saw but no idea of where from, I think they are 613 institute design and production but IDK whether true or not. All I know is it is indeed 613 institute that managed to obtain flanker IRST technology.
Likely not true actually, seems like it is the one used on Su35.
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Right, thx.
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This makes me believe that J-10B at least might be comparable in weight or even lighter than J-10A, the source goes on about how a greater amount of composites were used in the J-10B compared to the J-10A, and couple that with the fact that J-10B is using a DSI intake, which also serves as weight reduction.
J-10C is likely heavier than the J-10B given that it incorporates more ECM/avionics but it shouldn’t be anywhere near 9750kg empty like reported by Janes.
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Most likely the J-10C should be around 8,800kg imo
Page 98 of the same J-10C & J-16 Special Issue, “according to the PLAAF data released at Zhuhai and Changchun Airshows, J-10A’s empty weight is between 8.4 and 8.8 metric ton. J-10B’s DSI intake yields more than 200 kg reduction, with the application of new production technology and composites, empty weight is about 8 metric ton.”
No figure given for J-10C’s empty weight, but it says than with new avionics and materials, the early model with AL-31 will have a comparable empty weight to the 10B. The change to WS-10 engine allows the removal for an adaptor ring and associated parts so the number will be lower.
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This source contains a lot of useful information regarding J-10B, such as an improved AL-31FN (probably AL-31FN M1 or AL-31FN Series 3, I don’t know the exact designation) which provides approximately 135KN of max afterburning thrust compared to 125KN of the AL-31FN used on the J-10A.
The weight figures seem pretty reasonable, I would definitely hold onto this source for when Gaijin adds J-10B and future J-10 so that potential innaccuracies can be reported.
Also I am quite curious what the J-16 section of this source states, if possible could you also provide some information regarding those pages in the Chinese Flanker thread?
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The information in different articles within that issue kinda overlap with each other, another article conformed it to be AL-31FN-M1.
The J-16 section mentioned the maximum speed at sea level to be 1800 km/h and top speed M2.5 at altitude, maximum payload 12 meric ton, but aside from these I am not seeing much other numbers given.
I had to pay for a few bucks to get the scanned version, and the PDF file size is quite large (214 mb) so I am a bit reluctant to upload the whole thing here OxO
I also found some articles about improvements on J-11B, but again I will have to pay to get the scanned full text cuz those are old magazine issues. I’d compile a list with PDFs it ppl are willing to send a bit of GEs for the trouble since I still haven’t grind the CN tree but surely would like to get the J-10B and hopefully J-8PP someday.
Can I just ask where do u get the PDFs? I might look for them as well cause I do have a few subscriptions.
I don’t think 兵工科技 is available in academic archives such as cqvip.com. The official way would be ordering directly from the publisher, but for past issues I had to buy the scanned version from Taobao.
maybe by google drive or MEGA?