In my experience the pl5 is happy to glide to a target after the motor burns out but the pl8 isn’t. Sure it burns for longer but that basically means if it doesn’t hit something within 5 seconds of you launching it then it’s not hitting anything at all. Whatever the case it definitely wouldn’t be op with irccm. Would be a r73 that can’t do high offboresight
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it’s still much faster than R-73
R-73 has 1/3 the acceleration and has issues causing it to lose all airspeed and can’t chase down targets at all, PL-8 is one of the longest range IR AAM’s that isn’t the R-23/24/27T
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Thus why they (smin on devs) said ‘considering balancing issue’ I guess. PL5EII should have a little better seeker IRL but all IRCCMs are nerfed anyways.
PL-5B is likely overperforming, PL-5C is likely underperforming in seeker and PL-5EII is obviously underperforming with the seeker.
The kinetic performance of the PL-5 series seems suspect now that I’ve taken a closer look at it. The PL-8 also seems to be overperforming. I don’t really care to look into it too deeply these days. Everything Gaijin does is for balance now, realism is not a consideration.
PL5B is not over performing at least not to PL5C standards as I have literally had F20s just afterburner away 2.5km range. PL5B is great for sneak kill but PL5EII is like obviously a dual colour seeker.
You stated it is not overperforming and then didn’t link a valid real world source or reference for comparison. If you’d like my data we can discuss in DM’s but I don’t think it is worth a report (yet). Insufficient data is available to show how exactly it should perform - only enough to suggest it isn’t as good irl as it is in-game.
As far as I understand no plane even used the PL5B so if going for realistic stuff it should be all PL5C and add 0.3 BR (0.7 maybe for J7E). I just simply stated that in game it is not close to PL5C (maybe full aspect does help cause a lot easier to engage) and that they should be very similar except seeker, (in game 100% ctrl c + ctrl v) lol.
Question, why is this plane with six Fox3 flies in GRB against 11.3 like Su-39, Su-24m and AV-8b NA? All equal fox3 careers (F-16C, JAS39C) at 12.7
It gets 2 guided bombs maximum why would it be the same BR as the F-16C? fox3 missiles are pretty much irrelevant for GRB.
Unlike an su-39, where you do that exact same thing but it’s 800sp and 10 free kills just by pressing a button? What’s your point here?
It’s anti cancer. I spawnkill planes and helis to make the game better for people who actually want to play ground. You really can’t complain about people stopping you from being a troll.
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I don’t use CAS at all in GRB
lol, IRCCM jammer so you can’t even be killed by IR AAM’s
Skill issue on the CAS part seeing as it has ordnance that easily out-ranges all CAS.
Facts, CAS doesn’t belong in GRB at all. Remove all aircraft from the ground battles except for SIM.
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“Facts, CAS doesn’t belong in GRB at all. Remove all aircraft from the ground battles except for SIM.”
That so gaslighting.
Dude rly go try WOT, insted of gaslighting here.
Let me guess you are typical F&F in low br enjoyer. You spawn a AV-8B NA for 800 rp, basicly most OP CAS in that br, and get 4 ez kills just by pressing button.
There are tons of unreasonable br in game, J-10A’s is the most reasonable one. It still in top br, 0.3 lower is just a certificate of its poor CAS ability.
When i play AV-8B NA in GRB its 3 out of 4 matches i fight agaunst Pancir S1, u have no idia how hard it is cos u mostly play with SOV.
J-10 with Pancir S1 against subsonic plane, even without Fox1, even without radar. I understand u play CH and selfishly wish it to be OP, but every time i see J-10 toptiered agains 11.3, i realise that balace ruined.
ruined, but not J-10A’s fault. pantsir’s low br, US CAS’s low br, other nations lacking long range CAS. these all caused the chaos. J-10A is not so unbalanced. GRB air fight is not ARB, more like if you want to do Air to Air, you can success. A mig-29smt, F-4ICE or even another AB-8B+ with full anti air loadout can also easily ruin your CAS experience.
go back to chaos in top balance.
like you said, AV-8B NA in GRB its 3 out of 4 matches i fight agaunst Pancir S1. this doesn’t change it’s op in 11.3, it should be 12.0.
The main problem is still the pantsir, long range and fast, though bad g load after 8km but no warning make this up.
pantsir make other CAS(mainly new US AV-8NA and F-111F) underperform, and br too low, while the USSR own su-25sm3 overperform and br too high
J-10A isn’t part of this chaos
Why would anyone with more than two brain cells want to play WOT?
This has been derailed enough let’s move the discussion to DM’s or another topic.
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You do realise Pantsir is in fact a 11.7 Soviet vehicle and that under the current situation Soviet is no longer 100% with China plus the chance of soviet both sides is small.
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What is annoying atm is that some trees in GRB have weird model as to they are too big and when dodging I crash into them but there is nothing actually visible. Is lag or modelling error? Same with ARB which I just run into nothing midair.